Kenneth M. Halal v. Eagle Crest Ranch Homeowners Association

Case Summary

Case ID 24F-H045-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2024-06-26
Administrative Law Judge Sondra J. Vanella
Outcome loss
Filing Fees Refunded $500.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Kenneth M. Halal Counsel
Respondent Eagle Crest Ranch Homeowners Association Counsel Alexandra M. Kurtyka

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. §§ 33-1803, 33-1804; Bylaws Article 2.3, 5.2

Outcome Summary

The Petitioner's request was dismissed. The Administrative Law Judge determined that Petitioner failed to meet the burden of proof, as the restriction of access to the Townsquare forum was a unilateral decision made by Townsquare, a separate legal entity. The cited statutes and Bylaws regarding due process for violations of Project Documents were found inapplicable because Townsquare and its Terms of Use are not governed by the HOA’s Project Documents.

Why this result: Petitioner failed to meet the burden of proof, and the cited statutes and bylaw provisions were found inapplicable since the Townsquare platform is not owned or managed by the HOA, and the restriction was imposed solely by Townsquare based on its Terms of Use, which are not HOA Project Documents.

Key Issues & Findings

Due process violation regarding removal from HOA website forum (Townsquare Forum)

Petitioner alleged violation of A.R.S. §§ 33-1803 and 33-1804, and Bylaws 2.3 and 5.2, arguing the HOA failed to provide due process when restricting his access to the Townsquare online forum. The ALJ found the cited provisions inapplicable as the restriction was imposed solely by Townsquare, a third-party entity whose Terms of Use are not Project Documents.

Orders: Petition dismissed because Petitioner failed to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Respondent violated the cited statutes or Bylaws.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1803
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • Bylaws Article 2.3
  • Bylaws Section 5.2

Analytics Highlights

Topics: HOA Dispute, Due Process, Online Forum, Townsquare, Third-Party Vendor, Project Documents
Additional Citations:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1803
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199
  • Bylaws Article 2.3
  • Bylaws Section 5.2
  • CC&Rs Article 1 Section 1.36
  • Townsquare Terms of Use

Video Overview

Audio Overview

Decision Documents

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24F-H045-REL Decision – 1186944.pdf

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Questions

Question

Can my HOA be held responsible if a third-party vendor (like a website or app) bans me from their platform?

Short Answer

No, not if the vendor is a separate legal entity that makes its own decisions regarding its Terms of Use.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that if a platform is a separate legal entity and the HOA has no control over its Terms of Use or decisions, the HOA is not responsible for the vendor's unilateral decision to restrict a user.

Alj Quote

Townsquare is a separate and distinct legal entity from Respondent and Respondent has no control over Townsquare, its Terms of Use, or its decisions.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact / Conclusions of Law

Topic Tags

  • HOA obligations
  • third-party vendors
  • liability

Question

Are the 'Terms of Use' for a community website considered official HOA 'Project Documents'?

Short Answer

No, third-party Terms of Use are not considered Project Documents.

Detailed Answer

The decision clarified that terms set by a third-party vendor do not fall under the legal definition of Project Documents (like CC&Rs or Bylaws), meaning a violation of them is not a violation of HOA rules.

Alj Quote

Townsquare’s Terms of Use is not a Project Document as that term is defined in the CC&Rs Article 1, Section 1.36.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact #18

Topic Tags

  • governing documents
  • definitions
  • online platforms

Question

Does the HOA have to provide notice and a hearing before I am restricted from an online forum?

Short Answer

Not if the restriction is by a third party and no fine is levied by the HOA.

Detailed Answer

The due process requirements (notice and hearing) found in HOA bylaws typically apply when the Board alleges a violation of Project Documents or levies a fine. They do not apply when a third party restricts access based on their own rules.

Alj Quote

The Administrative Law Judge finds that this section is inapplicable to this matter as the Board has not levied a fine against Petitioner, nor has the Board alleged a violation of the Project Documents by Petitioner.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact #18

Topic Tags

  • due process
  • hearings
  • fines

Question

What specifically counts as a 'Project Document' in an Arizona HOA?

Short Answer

The Declaration, Articles, Bylaws, Association Rules, and Architectural Committee Rules.

Detailed Answer

The decision cites the specific definition from the CC&Rs, limiting Project Documents to the formal governing instruments of the association.

Alj Quote

Project Document means this Replacement Declaration, the Articles, the Bylaws, the Association Rules and the Architectural Committee Rules.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact #4

Topic Tags

  • definitions
  • governing documents

Question

Does the HOA Board need to vote in an open meeting to ban a resident from a third-party app?

Short Answer

No, if the decision is made unilaterally by the app provider.

Detailed Answer

If the third-party entity makes the sole determination to restrict a user based on a violation of their Terms of Use, the HOA Board is not taking an action that requires a vote or meeting.

Alj Quote

In this case, Townsquare, a separate legal entity not affiliated with Respondent, made the unilateral decision to restrict Petitioner’s use of the platform based upon its sole decision that Petitioner violated its Terms of Use.

Legal Basis

Conclusions of Law #6

Topic Tags

  • open meetings
  • board voting
  • procedural requirements

Question

What is the burden of proof for a homeowner filing a complaint against their HOA?

Short Answer

Preponderance of the evidence.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner (Petitioner) must prove that their claims are more probably true than not. This is the standard evidentiary weight required in these administrative hearings.

Alj Quote

Petitioner bears the burden of proof to establish that Respondent committed the alleged violation by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

Conclusions of Law #2

Topic Tags

  • legal standards
  • burden of proof

Question

Does a platform's 'Terms of Use' override the lack of HOA policy on social media?

Short Answer

Yes, the platform's rules apply independently of HOA documents.

Detailed Answer

Even if the HOA doesn't have a specific policy for the platform, the platform's own Terms of Use govern user behavior, and the platform is not governed by the HOA's documents.

Alj Quote

Townsquare is not governed by Respondent’s community documents and its Terms of Use are not Project Documents.

Legal Basis

Conclusions of Law #6

Topic Tags

  • social media
  • rules enforcement
  • jurisdiction

Case

Docket No
24F-H045-REL
Case Title
Kenneth M. Halal v. Eagle Crest Ranch Homeowners Association
Decision Date
2024-06-26
Alj Name
Sondra J. Vanella
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Questions

Question

Can my HOA be held responsible if a third-party vendor (like a website or app) bans me from their platform?

Short Answer

No, not if the vendor is a separate legal entity that makes its own decisions regarding its Terms of Use.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that if a platform is a separate legal entity and the HOA has no control over its Terms of Use or decisions, the HOA is not responsible for the vendor's unilateral decision to restrict a user.

Alj Quote

Townsquare is a separate and distinct legal entity from Respondent and Respondent has no control over Townsquare, its Terms of Use, or its decisions.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact / Conclusions of Law

Topic Tags

  • HOA obligations
  • third-party vendors
  • liability

Question

Are the 'Terms of Use' for a community website considered official HOA 'Project Documents'?

Short Answer

No, third-party Terms of Use are not considered Project Documents.

Detailed Answer

The decision clarified that terms set by a third-party vendor do not fall under the legal definition of Project Documents (like CC&Rs or Bylaws), meaning a violation of them is not a violation of HOA rules.

Alj Quote

Townsquare’s Terms of Use is not a Project Document as that term is defined in the CC&Rs Article 1, Section 1.36.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact #18

Topic Tags

  • governing documents
  • definitions
  • online platforms

Question

Does the HOA have to provide notice and a hearing before I am restricted from an online forum?

Short Answer

Not if the restriction is by a third party and no fine is levied by the HOA.

Detailed Answer

The due process requirements (notice and hearing) found in HOA bylaws typically apply when the Board alleges a violation of Project Documents or levies a fine. They do not apply when a third party restricts access based on their own rules.

Alj Quote

The Administrative Law Judge finds that this section is inapplicable to this matter as the Board has not levied a fine against Petitioner, nor has the Board alleged a violation of the Project Documents by Petitioner.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact #18

Topic Tags

  • due process
  • hearings
  • fines

Question

What specifically counts as a 'Project Document' in an Arizona HOA?

Short Answer

The Declaration, Articles, Bylaws, Association Rules, and Architectural Committee Rules.

Detailed Answer

The decision cites the specific definition from the CC&Rs, limiting Project Documents to the formal governing instruments of the association.

Alj Quote

Project Document means this Replacement Declaration, the Articles, the Bylaws, the Association Rules and the Architectural Committee Rules.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact #4

Topic Tags

  • definitions
  • governing documents

Question

Does the HOA Board need to vote in an open meeting to ban a resident from a third-party app?

Short Answer

No, if the decision is made unilaterally by the app provider.

Detailed Answer

If the third-party entity makes the sole determination to restrict a user based on a violation of their Terms of Use, the HOA Board is not taking an action that requires a vote or meeting.

Alj Quote

In this case, Townsquare, a separate legal entity not affiliated with Respondent, made the unilateral decision to restrict Petitioner’s use of the platform based upon its sole decision that Petitioner violated its Terms of Use.

Legal Basis

Conclusions of Law #6

Topic Tags

  • open meetings
  • board voting
  • procedural requirements

Question

What is the burden of proof for a homeowner filing a complaint against their HOA?

Short Answer

Preponderance of the evidence.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner (Petitioner) must prove that their claims are more probably true than not. This is the standard evidentiary weight required in these administrative hearings.

Alj Quote

Petitioner bears the burden of proof to establish that Respondent committed the alleged violation by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

Conclusions of Law #2

Topic Tags

  • legal standards
  • burden of proof

Question

Does a platform's 'Terms of Use' override the lack of HOA policy on social media?

Short Answer

Yes, the platform's rules apply independently of HOA documents.

Detailed Answer

Even if the HOA doesn't have a specific policy for the platform, the platform's own Terms of Use govern user behavior, and the platform is not governed by the HOA's documents.

Alj Quote

Townsquare is not governed by Respondent’s community documents and its Terms of Use are not Project Documents.

Legal Basis

Conclusions of Law #6

Topic Tags

  • social media
  • rules enforcement
  • jurisdiction

Case

Docket No
24F-H045-REL
Case Title
Kenneth M. Halal v. Eagle Crest Ranch Homeowners Association
Decision Date
2024-06-26
Alj Name
Sondra J. Vanella
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Kenneth M. Halal (petitioner)
  • Margot Castro (witness)
  • Patricia Schell (witness)
    Also referred to as Patricia Shell

Respondent Side

  • Alexandra M. Kurtyka (HOA attorney)
    CHDB Law LLP
  • Mark K. Sahl (HOA attorney)
    CHDB Law LLP
  • Donald A. Morris (board member)
    Eagle Crest Ranch Homeowners Association
    Testified as witness for Respondent; former President of the Board
  • Claudia Oberthier (witness)
    Spelled as 'O B E R T H I E R' during appearance; initially listed as 'Claudia Albert'
  • Salina Watson (property manager)
    Associa Arizona
    Subpoenaed by Petitioner

Neutral Parties

  • Sondra J. Vanella (ALJ)
    OAH
  • Susan Nicolson (Commissioner)
    ADRE
  • vnunez (ADRE Staff)
    ADRE
    Listed on service list
  • djones (ADRE Staff)
    ADRE
    Listed on service list
  • labril (ADRE Staff)
    ADRE
    Listed on service list
  • mneat (ADRE Staff)
    ADRE
    Listed on service list
  • lrecchia (ADRE Staff)
    ADRE
    Listed on service list
  • gosborn (ADRE Staff)
    ADRE
    Listed on service list

Other Participants

  • Bryan Hughes (witness (subpoenaed))
    Subpoena quashed
  • Ken Humphrey (witness (subpoenaed))
    Subpoena quashed
  • Eli Boyd (witness (subpoenaed))
    Subpoena quashed
  • Dane Gilmore (witness (subpoenaed))
    Subpoena quashed

Michael J Morris v. StarPass Master Homeowner Association, INC.

Case Summary

Case ID 24F-H030-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2024-04-23
Administrative Law Judge Velva Moses-Thompson
Outcome partial
Filing Fees Refunded $500.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Michael J Morris Counsel
Respondent StarPass Master Homeowner Association, Inc. Counsel

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. § 33-1804(B)

Outcome Summary

Petitioner was deemed the prevailing party based on the finding that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1804(B) by failing to hold required annual meetings of the Association’s members since 2010. Respondent was ordered to refund the $500 filing fee and comply with A.R.S. § 33-1804. Petitioner failed to establish the remaining alleged violations concerning the Declarant's right to appoint the Board or violations of A.R.S. §§ 33-1810 and 33-1817, or most CC&R sections.

Why this result: Petitioner failed to establish by a preponderance of the evidence that Respondent violated A.R.S. §§ 33-1810 and 33-1817, or the cited sections of the CC&Rs or Bylaws related to the Declarant's power to appoint the board.

Key Issues & Findings

Declarant control, board appointment without vote or meeting, and failure to hold annual meetings

Petitioner alleged Respondent violated multiple statutes and governing documents by allowing the Declarant to solely appoint the Board of Directors and failing to hold annual meetings. The Administrative Law Judge found that the Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1804(B) by failing to notice or hold annual members meetings since 2010. All other alleged violations were not established.

Orders: Respondent ordered to pay Petitioner his filing fee of $500.00 and directed to comply with the requirements of A.R.S. § 33-1804 going forward.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1810
  • A.R.S. § 33-1817
  • Bylaw Article Section 1
  • CC&Rs Article 3 Section 2(b)
  • CC&Rs Article 3 Section 5
  • CC&Rs Article 11 Section 8

Analytics Highlights

Topics: Declarant Control, Annual Meetings, Filing Fee Refund, HOA Board Appointment
Additional Citations:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1810
  • A.R.S. § 33-1817
  • Bylaw Article Section 1
  • CC&Rs Article 3 Section 2(b)
  • CC&Rs Article 3 Section 5
  • CC&Rs Article 11 Section 8

Video Overview

Audio Overview

Decision Documents

24F-H030-REL Decision – 1154358.pdf

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24F-H030-REL Decision – 1156053.pdf

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24F-H030-REL Decision – 1160349.pdf

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24F-H030-REL Decision – 1170315.pdf

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Questions

Question

Can an HOA stop holding annual meetings if they are unable to get enough members to attend (quorum)?

Short Answer

No. State law requires an annual meeting regardless of past attendance issues.

Detailed Answer

Even if an HOA has failed to reach a quorum for many years, they are still strictly required by Arizona law to notice and hold a meeting of the members at least once each year. Failing to do so is a violation of A.R.S. § 33-1804.

Alj Quote

A.R.S. § 33-1804(B) requires that a meeting of the members' association be held at least once each year.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(B)

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • quorum
  • compliance

Question

If I claim the HOA violated the Bylaws, do I have to submit the Bylaws as evidence?

Short Answer

Yes. You must submit the specific governing documents you claim were violated.

Detailed Answer

If a homeowner argues that the HOA violated a specific provision of the Bylaws (such as election procedures), they must enter those Bylaws into evidence. Without the actual document in the record, the judge cannot find a violation.

Alj Quote

Although Petitioner argued in his written closing argument that as of November 18, 2012, elections should have begun by the membership under Article 5 of Respondent’s Bylaws, Petitioner did not submit a copy of Respondent’s Bylaws into evidence, nor was section 5 of the Bylaws submitted with the petition.

Legal Basis

Evidentiary Burden

Topic Tags

  • evidence
  • procedure
  • bylaws

Question

Can the Administrative Law Judge order the HOA to appoint specific homeowners to the Board?

Short Answer

No. The judge's power is limited to ordering compliance with laws and documents.

Detailed Answer

The tribunal does not have the jurisdiction to appoint specific individuals to a 'transition Board' or replace directors. It can only order the HOA to follow the statutes and community documents going forward.

Alj Quote

While Petitioner requested that he and other owners be appointed to a transition Board, the Administrative Law Judge’s jurisdiction in this tribunal is limited to ordering a party to abide by applicable statutes and community documents.

Legal Basis

Jurisdiction

Topic Tags

  • remedies
  • board of directors
  • jurisdiction

Question

What is the standard of proof for a homeowner suing their HOA?

Short Answer

Preponderance of the evidence.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner must prove that their claims are 'more probably true than not.' This is the standard evidentiary burden in administrative hearings.

Alj Quote

Petitioners bear the burden of proof to establish that Respondent violated the Act or Respondent’s CC&Rs by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 41-1092.07(G)(2)

Topic Tags

  • legal standards
  • burden of proof

Question

Does the HOA automatically get fined if the judge finds they violated state law?

Short Answer

No. Civil penalties are not automatic.

Detailed Answer

A judge may find that a violation occurred (such as failing to hold meetings) but still decide that a civil penalty is not appropriate in that specific matter.

Alj Quote

No Civil Penalty is found to be appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Administrative Discretion

Topic Tags

  • penalties
  • fines
  • enforcement

Question

Can I get my $500 filing fee back if I win the hearing?

Short Answer

Yes. The judge can order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee.

Detailed Answer

If the homeowner is deemed the prevailing party, the judge may order the Respondent (HOA) to pay the Petitioner the amount of the filing fee within a set timeframe.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent pay Petitioner his filing fee of $500.00, to be paid directly to Petitioner within thirty (30) days of this Order.

Legal Basis

Prevailing Party Costs

Topic Tags

  • fees
  • reimbursement
  • costs

Question

Is it illegal for a developer (Declarant) to appoint the Board without an election?

Short Answer

Not necessarily, unless specific statutes or bylaws prohibit it.

Detailed Answer

Simply alleging that a Declarant is appointing the board without a vote is not enough to prove a violation. The homeowner must prove that specific statutes or the community's CC&Rs/Bylaws expressly prohibit this arrangement at the current time.

Alj Quote

Regarding the remaining alleged violations, the statutes listed in the petition do no bar [the Declarant] from appointing the Board members or operating as the President of the Board.

Legal Basis

CC&Rs / Statutes

Topic Tags

  • declarant control
  • board appointments
  • elections

Case

Docket No
24F-H030-REL
Case Title
Michael J. Morris vs. StarPass Master Homeowner Association, Inc.
Decision Date
2024-04-23
Alj Name
Velva Moses-Thompson
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Questions

Question

Can an HOA stop holding annual meetings if they are unable to get enough members to attend (quorum)?

Short Answer

No. State law requires an annual meeting regardless of past attendance issues.

Detailed Answer

Even if an HOA has failed to reach a quorum for many years, they are still strictly required by Arizona law to notice and hold a meeting of the members at least once each year. Failing to do so is a violation of A.R.S. § 33-1804.

Alj Quote

A.R.S. § 33-1804(B) requires that a meeting of the members' association be held at least once each year.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(B)

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • quorum
  • compliance

Question

If I claim the HOA violated the Bylaws, do I have to submit the Bylaws as evidence?

Short Answer

Yes. You must submit the specific governing documents you claim were violated.

Detailed Answer

If a homeowner argues that the HOA violated a specific provision of the Bylaws (such as election procedures), they must enter those Bylaws into evidence. Without the actual document in the record, the judge cannot find a violation.

Alj Quote

Although Petitioner argued in his written closing argument that as of November 18, 2012, elections should have begun by the membership under Article 5 of Respondent’s Bylaws, Petitioner did not submit a copy of Respondent’s Bylaws into evidence, nor was section 5 of the Bylaws submitted with the petition.

Legal Basis

Evidentiary Burden

Topic Tags

  • evidence
  • procedure
  • bylaws

Question

Can the Administrative Law Judge order the HOA to appoint specific homeowners to the Board?

Short Answer

No. The judge's power is limited to ordering compliance with laws and documents.

Detailed Answer

The tribunal does not have the jurisdiction to appoint specific individuals to a 'transition Board' or replace directors. It can only order the HOA to follow the statutes and community documents going forward.

Alj Quote

While Petitioner requested that he and other owners be appointed to a transition Board, the Administrative Law Judge’s jurisdiction in this tribunal is limited to ordering a party to abide by applicable statutes and community documents.

Legal Basis

Jurisdiction

Topic Tags

  • remedies
  • board of directors
  • jurisdiction

Question

What is the standard of proof for a homeowner suing their HOA?

Short Answer

Preponderance of the evidence.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner must prove that their claims are 'more probably true than not.' This is the standard evidentiary burden in administrative hearings.

Alj Quote

Petitioners bear the burden of proof to establish that Respondent violated the Act or Respondent’s CC&Rs by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 41-1092.07(G)(2)

Topic Tags

  • legal standards
  • burden of proof

Question

Does the HOA automatically get fined if the judge finds they violated state law?

Short Answer

No. Civil penalties are not automatic.

Detailed Answer

A judge may find that a violation occurred (such as failing to hold meetings) but still decide that a civil penalty is not appropriate in that specific matter.

Alj Quote

No Civil Penalty is found to be appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Administrative Discretion

Topic Tags

  • penalties
  • fines
  • enforcement

Question

Can I get my $500 filing fee back if I win the hearing?

Short Answer

Yes. The judge can order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee.

Detailed Answer

If the homeowner is deemed the prevailing party, the judge may order the Respondent (HOA) to pay the Petitioner the amount of the filing fee within a set timeframe.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent pay Petitioner his filing fee of $500.00, to be paid directly to Petitioner within thirty (30) days of this Order.

Legal Basis

Prevailing Party Costs

Topic Tags

  • fees
  • reimbursement
  • costs

Question

Is it illegal for a developer (Declarant) to appoint the Board without an election?

Short Answer

Not necessarily, unless specific statutes or bylaws prohibit it.

Detailed Answer

Simply alleging that a Declarant is appointing the board without a vote is not enough to prove a violation. The homeowner must prove that specific statutes or the community's CC&Rs/Bylaws expressly prohibit this arrangement at the current time.

Alj Quote

Regarding the remaining alleged violations, the statutes listed in the petition do no bar [the Declarant] from appointing the Board members or operating as the President of the Board.

Legal Basis

CC&Rs / Statutes

Topic Tags

  • declarant control
  • board appointments
  • elections

Case

Docket No
24F-H030-REL
Case Title
Michael J. Morris vs. StarPass Master Homeowner Association, Inc.
Decision Date
2024-04-23
Alj Name
Velva Moses-Thompson
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Michael J. Morris (petitioner)
    StarPass Master Homeowner Association member; Sub-HOA President
  • Bruce Prior (witness)
    StarPass Master Homeowner Association member; past subHOA president
  • Michael Schmidt (witness)
    Wildcat Pass HOA Board member
    Also referred to as Michael Smidt

Respondent Side

  • F. Christopher Ansley (declarant)
    StarPass Master Homeowner Association President/Property Manager; Devcon LLC
    Also referred to as Chris Ansley or mistakenly as Craig Ansley
  • David Makavoy (lawyer)
    Ansley's lawyer concerning amendment recording

Neutral Parties

  • Velva Moses-Thompson (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
    Also referred to as Alderman Thompson
  • Brian Larson (CPA)
    Brian Larson CTA
    Provided quarterly financial statements for Master HOA
  • Susan Nicolson (Commissioner)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate

Other Participants

  • Jimmy Liscos (board member)
    StarPass Master Homeowner Association Board of Directors; focus group member
    Appointed board member who was also part of the focus group/group of seven
  • Jamie Haw (board member)
    StarPass Master Homeowner Association Board of Directors; focus group member
    Appointed board member who resigned
  • Nikki Morton (focus group member)

Michael Holland v. Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner’s Association

Case Summary

Case ID 23F-H039-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2023-10-20
Administrative Law Judge Kay Abramsohn
Outcome full
Filing Fees Refunded $500.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Michael Holland Counsel
Respondent Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner's Association Counsel John A. Buric

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)

Outcome Summary

The Administrative Law Judge granted the Petition, concluding that the HOA violated A.R.S. § 33-1804(A) because the portion of the meeting where recording was prohibited was not effectively 'closed' (as members were allowed to remain) and therefore remained 'open' and subject to members' right to record.

Key Issues & Findings

Improperly preventing members from recording an open board meeting

The HOA Board prohibited homeowners participating in an open meeting on September 28, 2022, from recording that meeting. The HOA argued the portion was closed due to receiving legal advice/contemplated litigation, but the ALJ found the portion was not effectively 'closed' because no members were required to leave, thus the HOA lacked authority to prevent recording.

Orders: HOA found in violation; ordered to reimburse Petitioner $500.00 filing fee.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804

Analytics Highlights

Topics: HOA Open Meeting Law, Recording Rights, Attorney-Client Privilege, Filing Fee Reimbursement
Additional Citations:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(C)
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199.05
  • A.R.S. § 41-1092

Video Overview

Audio Overview

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1HMZkdoqbaNNK62AtCa9mz

Decision Documents

23F-H039-REL Decision – 1040495.pdf

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23F-H039-REL Decision – 1044744.pdf

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Questions

Question

Can I record an open HOA board meeting?

Short Answer

Yes, homeowners have the statutory right to audio or video tape open portions of board and member meetings.

Detailed Answer

Under Arizona law, persons attending HOA meetings are permitted to audiotape or videotape any portion of the meeting that is open. The HOA cannot prohibit this for open sessions.

Alj Quote

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A) allows a person to record 'those portions of the meetings of the board of directors and meetings of the members that are open.'

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)

Topic Tags

  • recording meetings
  • homeowner rights
  • open meetings

Question

Can the HOA board stop me from recording if an attorney is giving legal advice?

Short Answer

Not if the meeting remains open to members. To stop recording, the board must physically close the meeting (exclude members).

Detailed Answer

Even if the board intends to receive legal advice (a valid reason to close a meeting), they cannot simply ask members to stop recording while allowing them to remain in the room. If members are allowed to stay, the meeting is not 'closed,' and the right to record remains.

Alj Quote

Because no portion of the September 28, 2022 meeting was 'closed,' the HOA had no authority under A.R.S. § 33-1804(A) to prevent the HOA members from recording the meeting.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)

Topic Tags

  • recording meetings
  • legal advice
  • closed sessions

Question

What actually constitutes a 'closed' meeting or executive session?

Short Answer

A meeting is considered closed only if members are required to leave or are excluded from attending.

Detailed Answer

Merely stating that a portion of the meeting is for legal advice or asking members to stop recording is not enough to close a meeting. If members are present and not asked to leave, the meeting is effectively open.

Alj Quote

However, nothing in the record demonstrates that this specific portion of the meeting was effectively 'closed.' In fact, Mr. Meister confirmed that none of the members present, or anyone online, had to leave the meeting or had to leave the meeting for the portion that included the attorney’s advice.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)

Topic Tags

  • closed sessions
  • definitions
  • procedural requirements

Question

Who has the burden of proof in an HOA dispute hearing?

Short Answer

The petitioner (the homeowner filing the complaint) bears the burden of proof.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner must prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the HOA violated the community documents or statutes. This means showing the contention is more probably true than not.

Alj Quote

In these proceedings, a petitioner bears the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that a respondent has violated the planned community document(s’) provisions or statutes alleged to have been violated.

Legal Basis

Ariz. Admin. Code R2-19-119

Topic Tags

  • legal standards
  • burden of proof
  • hearing procedures

Question

Can I recover my $500 filing fee if I win the hearing?

Short Answer

Yes, the Administrative Law Judge can order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee.

Detailed Answer

If the petitioner prevails in the hearing, the judge has the authority to order the respondent (HOA) to reimburse the statutory filing fee paid to the Department of Real Estate.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED Respondent shall reimburse Petitioner his $500.00 filing fee.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 32-2199.02

Topic Tags

  • remedies
  • fees
  • penalties

Question

What authority does the Office of Administrative Hearings have in HOA disputes?

Short Answer

OAH can decide petitions, order compliance with statutes/documents, interpret contracts, and levy civil penalties.

Detailed Answer

The tribunal has broad authority to resolve disputes regarding violations of condominium documents or statutes, including interpreting contracts between the parties and imposing penalties for proven violations.

Alj Quote

OAH has the authority to consider and decide the contested petitions, the authority to order any party to abide by the statute, community documents and contract provisions at issue, the authority to interpret the contract between the parties, and the authority to levy a civil penalty on the basis of each proven violation.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. §§ 32-2199 et seq.

Topic Tags

  • jurisdiction
  • OAH authority
  • civil penalties

Case

Docket No
23F-H039-REL
Case Title
Michael Holland v. Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner's Association
Decision Date
2023-10-20
Alj Name
Kay Abramsohn
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Questions

Question

Can I record an open HOA board meeting?

Short Answer

Yes, homeowners have the statutory right to audio or video tape open portions of board and member meetings.

Detailed Answer

Under Arizona law, persons attending HOA meetings are permitted to audiotape or videotape any portion of the meeting that is open. The HOA cannot prohibit this for open sessions.

Alj Quote

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A) allows a person to record 'those portions of the meetings of the board of directors and meetings of the members that are open.'

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)

Topic Tags

  • recording meetings
  • homeowner rights
  • open meetings

Question

Can the HOA board stop me from recording if an attorney is giving legal advice?

Short Answer

Not if the meeting remains open to members. To stop recording, the board must physically close the meeting (exclude members).

Detailed Answer

Even if the board intends to receive legal advice (a valid reason to close a meeting), they cannot simply ask members to stop recording while allowing them to remain in the room. If members are allowed to stay, the meeting is not 'closed,' and the right to record remains.

Alj Quote

Because no portion of the September 28, 2022 meeting was 'closed,' the HOA had no authority under A.R.S. § 33-1804(A) to prevent the HOA members from recording the meeting.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)

Topic Tags

  • recording meetings
  • legal advice
  • closed sessions

Question

What actually constitutes a 'closed' meeting or executive session?

Short Answer

A meeting is considered closed only if members are required to leave or are excluded from attending.

Detailed Answer

Merely stating that a portion of the meeting is for legal advice or asking members to stop recording is not enough to close a meeting. If members are present and not asked to leave, the meeting is effectively open.

Alj Quote

However, nothing in the record demonstrates that this specific portion of the meeting was effectively 'closed.' In fact, Mr. Meister confirmed that none of the members present, or anyone online, had to leave the meeting or had to leave the meeting for the portion that included the attorney’s advice.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)

Topic Tags

  • closed sessions
  • definitions
  • procedural requirements

Question

Who has the burden of proof in an HOA dispute hearing?

Short Answer

The petitioner (the homeowner filing the complaint) bears the burden of proof.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner must prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the HOA violated the community documents or statutes. This means showing the contention is more probably true than not.

Alj Quote

In these proceedings, a petitioner bears the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that a respondent has violated the planned community document(s’) provisions or statutes alleged to have been violated.

Legal Basis

Ariz. Admin. Code R2-19-119

Topic Tags

  • legal standards
  • burden of proof
  • hearing procedures

Question

Can I recover my $500 filing fee if I win the hearing?

Short Answer

Yes, the Administrative Law Judge can order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee.

Detailed Answer

If the petitioner prevails in the hearing, the judge has the authority to order the respondent (HOA) to reimburse the statutory filing fee paid to the Department of Real Estate.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED Respondent shall reimburse Petitioner his $500.00 filing fee.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 32-2199.02

Topic Tags

  • remedies
  • fees
  • penalties

Question

What authority does the Office of Administrative Hearings have in HOA disputes?

Short Answer

OAH can decide petitions, order compliance with statutes/documents, interpret contracts, and levy civil penalties.

Detailed Answer

The tribunal has broad authority to resolve disputes regarding violations of condominium documents or statutes, including interpreting contracts between the parties and imposing penalties for proven violations.

Alj Quote

OAH has the authority to consider and decide the contested petitions, the authority to order any party to abide by the statute, community documents and contract provisions at issue, the authority to interpret the contract between the parties, and the authority to levy a civil penalty on the basis of each proven violation.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. §§ 32-2199 et seq.

Topic Tags

  • jurisdiction
  • OAH authority
  • civil penalties

Case

Docket No
23F-H039-REL
Case Title
Michael Holland v. Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner's Association
Decision Date
2023-10-20
Alj Name
Kay Abramsohn
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Michael Holland (petitioner)
    Represented himself
  • Jill Burns (witness)
    Recorded the meeting at issue; former officer of the Board
  • Linda L. Holland (party affiliate)
    Co-owner of the property; Michael Holland's mother

Respondent Side

  • Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner's Association (respondent)
  • John A. Buric (HOA attorney)
    Warner Angle Hallam Jackson & Formanek PLC
    Represented Respondent HOA
  • Kurt Meister (board member)
    Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner's Association
    President of the Board of Directors; Testified as witness for Respondent
  • Clint Goodman (HOA attorney)
    Goodman Law
    Attorney who provided legal advice at the September 28, 2022 meeting
  • Steve Dower (board member)
    Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner's Association
    Mentioned in testimony by Petitioner
  • Melissa Jordan (property manager)
    Ogden
    Monitored the phone line during the meeting
  • Carrie Chu (board member)
    Tonto Forest Estates Homeowner's Association
    Spoke during meeting minutes discussion

Neutral Parties

  • Kay Abramsohn (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
    Administrative Law Judge for hearing and final decision
  • Tammy L. Eigenheer (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
    Administrative Law Judge on earlier orders
  • Susan Nicolson (ADRE Commissioner)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmissions
  • AHansen (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmissions
  • vnunez (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmissions
  • djones (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmissions
  • labril (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmissions

Other Participants

  • Mary Gura (community member)
    Attendee of the virtual hearing
  • John Cron (community member)
    Attendee of the virtual hearing; identified in relation to litigation/claim discussed by attorney Goodman
  • Janet Cron (witness)
    Listed on Petitioner's witness list; John Cron's wife
  • Chris Chopat (community member)
    Attendee of the meeting; asked for statute citation regarding recording

Charlotte Tande v. Wintergardens Co-Operative

Case Summary

Case ID 23F-H059-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2023-09-05
Administrative Law Judge Tammy L. Eigenheer
Outcome loss
Filing Fees Refunded $0.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Charlotte Tande Counsel
Respondent Wintergardens Co-Operative Counsel Beth Mulcahy, Esq.

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. § 33-1804
A.R.S. § 33-1810

Outcome Summary

The case was dismissed because the Administrative Law Judge determined the Wintergardens Co-Operative, a cooperative mobile home park, did not qualify as a 'planned community' or 'condominium association' under Title 33, Chapter 9 or 16, thus the Arizona Department of Real Estate lacked jurisdiction to hear the dispute.

Why this result: The Respondent was found not to be a 'Planned Community' because its shareholders were lessees, not owners of 'separately owned lots, parcels or units' as required by A.R.S. § 33-1802(4).

Key Issues & Findings

Open Meeting Requirements

Petitioner alleged Respondent failed to comply with the open meeting requirements of A.R.S. § 33-1804.

Orders: The case was dismissed after Respondent's Motion to Dismiss was granted.

Filing fee: $0.00

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1802(4)
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199.01(A)

Financial Records Provision

Petitioner alleged Respondent failed to provide certain financial records as required by A.R.S. § 33-1810.

Orders: The case was dismissed after Respondent's Motion to Dismiss was granted.

Filing fee: $0.00

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1810
  • A.R.S. § 33-1802(4)
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199.01(A)

Video Overview

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Study Guide – 23F-H059-REL


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Blog Post – 23F-H059-REL


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Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Charlotte Tande (petitioner)

Respondent Side

  • Beth Mulcahy (attorney)
    Mulcahy Law Firm, PC
    Esq.

Neutral Parties

  • Tammy L. Eigenheer (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
    Signed Orders dated July 18, 2023 and September 5, 2023
  • Susan Nicolson (Commissioner)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
  • Alyssa Leverette (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
    Signed Minute Entry granting continuance dated September 5, 2023
  • AHansen (staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Listed as contact/recipient for transmissions
  • vnunez (staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Listed as contact/recipient for transmissions
  • djones (staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Listed as contact/recipient for transmissions
  • labril (staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Listed as contact/recipient for transmissions

Clifford S Burnes V. Saguaro Crest Homeowners’ Association

Case Summary

Case ID 23F-H038-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2023-04-20
Administrative Law Judge Velva Moses-Thompson
Outcome partial
Filing Fees Refunded $1,000.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Clifford S. Burnes Counsel
Respondent Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association Counsel John T. Crotty, Esq.

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. § 33-1804
A.R.S. § 33-1804

Outcome Summary

Petitioner prevailed on the allegation that Respondent failed to provide notice of the board meeting in violation of A.R.S. § 33-1804, resulting in a refund of $500.00. Respondent prevailed on the allegation that the board meeting was required to be open, as the meeting was properly closed to receive legal advice under a statutory exception.

Why this result: Petitioner lost the open meeting claim because the meeting was protected by the legal advice exception under A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1).

Key Issues & Findings

Failure to provide notice of board meeting to members.

Petitioner alleged Respondent conducted an unnoticed board meeting regarding obtaining legal advice. Respondent conceded the meeting was unnoticed. The ALJ concluded Respondent was required to provide notice to members that it would be conducting a board meeting to consider legal advice from an attorney that would be closed to members, and failed to do so.

Orders: Respondent must pay Petitioner the filing fee of $500.00 within thirty (30) days. Respondent is directed to comply with the notice requirements of A.R.S. § 33-1804 going forward.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(D)

Board meeting was not open to all members of the association.

Petitioner alleged the meeting, attended by two board members and an attorney, should have been open. Respondent contended the meeting was a permitted closed session to consider legal advice from an attorney regarding reorganization/disbanding, pursuant to A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1). The ALJ concluded the meeting was not required to be open because the board members were solely receiving legal advice from an attorney.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1)

Analytics Highlights

Topics: HOA, Open Meetings, Notice Requirement, Legal Advice Exception, Planned Communities Act
Additional Citations:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1)
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(C)
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(D)
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804(F)
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199(1)

Video Overview

Audio Overview

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Decision Documents

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Questions

Question

If the HOA board meets with their attorney, do they still have to notify homeowners about the meeting?

Short Answer

Yes. Even if the meeting will be closed for legal advice, the board is legally required to provide notice to the members that the meeting is occurring.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that while a board can close a meeting to receive legal advice, they cannot skip the notice requirement. The HOA in this case violated the law by failing to provide notice of a board meeting where they obtained legal advice.

Alj Quote

Therefore, the Administrative Law Judge concludes that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1804 when it failed to provide notice to its members of the March 31, 2022 board meeting where it obtained legal advice from an attorney.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • notice
  • legal advice

Question

Can the HOA board exclude homeowners from a meeting if they are discussing legal advice?

Short Answer

Yes. The board is permitted to close a portion of a meeting if it is limited to considering legal advice from an attorney.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ determined that the HOA did not violate the open meeting law by keeping the meeting closed, because the sole purpose was to receive legal advice. This is a specific exception to the open meeting requirement.

Alj Quote

The Administrative law Judge further concludes that Respondent did not violate A.R.S. § 33-1804 when it failed to make the March 31, 2022 board meeting open to members when the only information discussed and obtained was legal advice from an attorney.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1)

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • exclusions
  • attorney-client privilege

Question

Does a gathering of board members count as a 'meeting' if they are just meeting informally or for a workshop?

Short Answer

Yes. If a quorum of the board meets to discuss association business, even informally, they must follow open meeting and notice laws.

Detailed Answer

The decision cites the statute stating that any quorum meeting informally to discuss business must comply with notice and open meeting provisions, regardless of whether a formal vote is taken.

Alj Quote

Any quorum of the board of directors that meets informally to discuss association business, including workshops, shall comply with the open meeting and notice provisions of this section without regard to whether the board votes or takes any action on any matter at that informal meeting.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(E)(4)

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • quorum
  • workshops

Question

If I file a petition against my HOA and win, will the HOA have to reimburse my filing fees?

Short Answer

Yes, the judge can order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee if the homeowner prevails on the issue.

Detailed Answer

In this case, because the homeowner prevailed on the issue regarding the lack of notice, the ALJ ordered the HOA to pay back the $500 filing fee.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent pay Petitioner his filing fee of $500.00, to be paid directly to Petitioner within thirty (30) days of this Order.

Legal Basis

Order of the ALJ

Topic Tags

  • fees
  • reimbursement
  • penalties

Question

Does a violation of the open meeting law always result in a fine for the HOA?

Short Answer

No. The judge has discretion and may decide that no civil penalty is appropriate even if a violation occurred.

Detailed Answer

Although the HOA was found to have violated the notice statute, the ALJ explicitly stated that no civil penalty was appropriate in this specific matter.

Alj Quote

No Civil Penalty is found to be appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Discretion of ALJ

Topic Tags

  • civil penalty
  • fines
  • enforcement

Question

What legal standard do I have to meet to prove my HOA violated the rules?

Short Answer

The homeowner must prove the violation by a 'preponderance of the evidence,' meaning it is more probably true than not.

Detailed Answer

The decision defines the burden of proof as the greater weight of the evidence, sufficient to incline a fair and impartial mind to one side rather than the other.

Alj Quote

Petitioner bears the burden of proof to establish that Respondent violated the CC&Rs by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

A.A.C. R2-19-119(A) and (B)(1)

Topic Tags

  • legal standard
  • burden of proof
  • evidence

Case

Docket No
23F-H038-REL
Case Title
Clifford S. Burnes v. Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association
Decision Date
2023-04-20
Alj Name
Velva Moses-Thompson
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Questions

Question

If the HOA board meets with their attorney, do they still have to notify homeowners about the meeting?

Short Answer

Yes. Even if the meeting will be closed for legal advice, the board is legally required to provide notice to the members that the meeting is occurring.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that while a board can close a meeting to receive legal advice, they cannot skip the notice requirement. The HOA in this case violated the law by failing to provide notice of a board meeting where they obtained legal advice.

Alj Quote

Therefore, the Administrative Law Judge concludes that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1804 when it failed to provide notice to its members of the March 31, 2022 board meeting where it obtained legal advice from an attorney.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • notice
  • legal advice

Question

Can the HOA board exclude homeowners from a meeting if they are discussing legal advice?

Short Answer

Yes. The board is permitted to close a portion of a meeting if it is limited to considering legal advice from an attorney.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ determined that the HOA did not violate the open meeting law by keeping the meeting closed, because the sole purpose was to receive legal advice. This is a specific exception to the open meeting requirement.

Alj Quote

The Administrative law Judge further concludes that Respondent did not violate A.R.S. § 33-1804 when it failed to make the March 31, 2022 board meeting open to members when the only information discussed and obtained was legal advice from an attorney.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1)

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • exclusions
  • attorney-client privilege

Question

Does a gathering of board members count as a 'meeting' if they are just meeting informally or for a workshop?

Short Answer

Yes. If a quorum of the board meets to discuss association business, even informally, they must follow open meeting and notice laws.

Detailed Answer

The decision cites the statute stating that any quorum meeting informally to discuss business must comply with notice and open meeting provisions, regardless of whether a formal vote is taken.

Alj Quote

Any quorum of the board of directors that meets informally to discuss association business, including workshops, shall comply with the open meeting and notice provisions of this section without regard to whether the board votes or takes any action on any matter at that informal meeting.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(E)(4)

Topic Tags

  • meetings
  • quorum
  • workshops

Question

If I file a petition against my HOA and win, will the HOA have to reimburse my filing fees?

Short Answer

Yes, the judge can order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee if the homeowner prevails on the issue.

Detailed Answer

In this case, because the homeowner prevailed on the issue regarding the lack of notice, the ALJ ordered the HOA to pay back the $500 filing fee.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent pay Petitioner his filing fee of $500.00, to be paid directly to Petitioner within thirty (30) days of this Order.

Legal Basis

Order of the ALJ

Topic Tags

  • fees
  • reimbursement
  • penalties

Question

Does a violation of the open meeting law always result in a fine for the HOA?

Short Answer

No. The judge has discretion and may decide that no civil penalty is appropriate even if a violation occurred.

Detailed Answer

Although the HOA was found to have violated the notice statute, the ALJ explicitly stated that no civil penalty was appropriate in this specific matter.

Alj Quote

No Civil Penalty is found to be appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Discretion of ALJ

Topic Tags

  • civil penalty
  • fines
  • enforcement

Question

What legal standard do I have to meet to prove my HOA violated the rules?

Short Answer

The homeowner must prove the violation by a 'preponderance of the evidence,' meaning it is more probably true than not.

Detailed Answer

The decision defines the burden of proof as the greater weight of the evidence, sufficient to incline a fair and impartial mind to one side rather than the other.

Alj Quote

Petitioner bears the burden of proof to establish that Respondent violated the CC&Rs by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

A.A.C. R2-19-119(A) and (B)(1)

Topic Tags

  • legal standard
  • burden of proof
  • evidence

Case

Docket No
23F-H038-REL
Case Title
Clifford S. Burnes v. Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association
Decision Date
2023-04-20
Alj Name
Velva Moses-Thompson
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Clifford S. Burnes (petitioner; witness)
    Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association member
    Also known as Clifford (Norm) S. Burnes,; appeared on behalf of himself,.

Respondent Side

  • John T. Crotty (HOA attorney)
    Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association
    Appeared on behalf of Respondent,.
  • Esmeralda Sarina Ayala-Martinez (board member; witness)
    Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association
    Also referred to as Esmeralda Sarina-Ayala Martinez or Esmerita Martinez; testified on behalf of Respondent.
  • Dave Madill (board member)
    Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association
    Vice President; also referred to as Dave Matt or Dave Medil; was one of the two board members who met with the attorney.
  • Joseph Martinez (board member)
    Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association
    Husband of Esmeralda Sarina Ayala-Martinez; third board member.
  • David A. Melvoy (HOA attorney/legal counsel)
    Saguaro Crest Homeowners' Association
    Provided legal advice during the underlying May 31, 2022, closed meeting; also referred to as David Mackoy, Eoy, or Eway,,.

Neutral Parties

  • Velva Moses-Thompson (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
  • Susan Nicolson (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmission,.
  • AHansen (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmission,.
  • vnunez (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmission,.
  • djones (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmission,.
  • labril (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
    Recipient of official transmission,.

Barbara J. Ryan v. Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property

Case Summary

Case ID 23F-H035-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2023-04-17
Administrative Law Judge Velva Moses-Thompson
Outcome full
Filing Fees Refunded $500.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Barbara J. Ryan Counsel
Respondent Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association Counsel Jody Corrales, Esq.

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. § 33-1804, A.R.S. § 33-1318, Respondent’s Bylaws sections 7.1, 7.2, 12.1 – 12.3

Outcome Summary

The Petitioner was deemed the prevailing party. The ALJ found the Respondent violated Bylaw section 7.1 by failing to hold an annual members meeting in 2021 and 2022. Respondent was ordered to refund the $500 filing fee and ensure future compliance with Bylaw section 7.1. No civil penalty was imposed.

Why this result: The violation (failure to hold an annual member meeting) was undisputed by the Respondent, and Respondent's counsel conceded there were no legal defenses to this fact.

Key Issues & Findings

Failure to hold an annual members meeting in two years and ignoring members written petitions and requests for a meeting

It was undisputed that the Respondent HOA failed to hold an annual meeting of the members from March 2020 to the time of the hearing. The ALJ found by a preponderance of the evidence that the Respondent violated section 7.1 of its Bylaws.

Orders: Respondent must pay the Petitioner's filing fee of $500.00 within thirty days and is directed to comply with section 7.1 of its Bylaws going forward. No civil penalty was found appropriate.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1318
  • Respondent’s Bylaws sections 7.1
  • Respondent’s Bylaws sections 7.2
  • Respondent’s Bylaws sections 12.1 – 12.3
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199(B)
  • A.R.S. § 33-1803
  • A.R.S. § 41-1092.07(G)(2)
  • A.A.C. R2-19-119(A)
  • A.A.C. R2-19-119(B)(1)
  • A.A.C. R2-19-119(B)(2)
  • A.R.S. §32-2199.02(B)
  • A.R.S. § 41-1092.09

Analytics Highlights

Topics: HOA Annual Meeting, Bylaws Violation, Filing Fee Refund, Administrative Hearing, Planned Community
Additional Citations:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1318
  • Respondent’s Bylaws sections 7.1
  • Respondent’s Bylaws sections 7.2
  • Respondent’s Bylaws sections 12.1 – 12.3
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199(B)
  • A.R.S. § 33-1803
  • A.R.S. § 41-1092.07(G)(2)
  • A.A.C. R2-19-119(A)
  • A.A.C. R2-19-119(B)(1)
  • A.A.C. R2-19-119(B)(2)
  • A.R.S. §32-2199.02(B)
  • A.R.S. § 41-1092.09

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Questions

Question

Can an HOA skip annual member meetings due to ongoing litigation or bankruptcy proceedings?

Short Answer

No. Legal defenses based on external issues like litigation or bankruptcy may not validate the failure to hold meetings required by bylaws.

Detailed Answer

In this case, the HOA attempted to argue that bankruptcy and litigation prevented them from holding meetings. However, the ALJ noted that the Respondent's own counsel eventually admitted there were no legal defenses for failing to hold the meeting, and the failure was ruled a violation.

Alj Quote

Respondent’s counsel stated that there were no legal defenses to Respondent’s failure to hold a board meeting.

Legal Basis

Bylaws Section 7.1

Topic Tags

  • annual meetings
  • HOA defenses
  • bankruptcy

Question

If I include multiple complaints in my petition but only pay the fee for one, will the judge hear all of them?

Short Answer

No. The Administrative Law Judge will likely only address the specific issue for which the filing fee was paid.

Detailed Answer

The petitioner included allegations regarding failure to respond to requests for special meetings and removal of directors, but because she only paid the $500 fee for one issue (failure to hold annual meetings), the other allegations were not addressed in the decision.

Alj Quote

The petition included other allegations including, but not limited to, the Board failure to respond to requests for a special meeting of members and/or a meeting to remove directors from the Board. However, Petitioner has paid for only one issue.

Legal Basis

Procedural Rule

Topic Tags

  • filing fees
  • petition scope
  • administrative procedure

Question

Does the failure to hold an annual meeting automatically invalidate the HOA's corporate actions?

Short Answer

Not necessarily. Bylaws often contain specific provisions stating that the failure to hold a meeting does not affect the validity of corporate actions.

Detailed Answer

The decision cites a specific section of the HOA's bylaws which explicitly states that missing the fixed time for an annual meeting does not invalidate corporate actions.

Alj Quote

The failure to hold an annual or regular meeting at a time stated in or fixed in accordance with the Bylaws does not affect the validity of any corporate action.

Legal Basis

Bylaws Section 7.1

Topic Tags

  • corporate actions
  • validity
  • bylaws

Question

What standard of proof must a homeowner meet to win a hearing against their HOA?

Short Answer

The homeowner must prove the violation by a 'preponderance of the evidence'.

Detailed Answer

The burden is on the petitioner to show that their contention is 'more probably true than not.' It is not based on the number of witnesses but on the convincing force of the evidence.

Alj Quote

Petitioner bears the burden of proof to establish that Respondent violated on its CC&Rs by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 41-1092.07(G)(2); A.A.C. R2-19-119(A)

Topic Tags

  • burden of proof
  • legal standard
  • evidence

Question

Can I be reimbursed for my filing fee if I win my case against the HOA?

Short Answer

Yes. The ALJ has the authority to order the HOA to pay the filing fee back to the prevailing homeowner.

Detailed Answer

After ruling in favor of the petitioner regarding the failure to hold meetings, the judge ordered the HOA to pay the petitioner the $500 filing fee within 30 days.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association must pay to Petitioner her filing fee of $500.00 within thirty days of receipt of this Order.

Legal Basis

Order of the ALJ

Topic Tags

  • reimbursement
  • filing fees
  • penalties

Question

Will the HOA always be fined a civil penalty if they are found to have violated the bylaws?

Short Answer

No. The judge may decide that a civil penalty is not appropriate even if a violation is found.

Detailed Answer

Although the HOA was found to have violated the bylaws by not holding meetings for two years, the judge explicitly declined to assess a civil penalty in this specific matter.

Alj Quote

No Civil Penalty is found to be appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Judicial Discretion

Topic Tags

  • civil penalty
  • fines
  • enforcement

Case

Docket No
23F-H035-REL
Case Title
Barbara J. Ryan vs Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association
Decision Date
2023-04-17
Alj Name
Velva Moses-Thompson
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Questions

Question

Can an HOA skip annual member meetings due to ongoing litigation or bankruptcy proceedings?

Short Answer

No. Legal defenses based on external issues like litigation or bankruptcy may not validate the failure to hold meetings required by bylaws.

Detailed Answer

In this case, the HOA attempted to argue that bankruptcy and litigation prevented them from holding meetings. However, the ALJ noted that the Respondent's own counsel eventually admitted there were no legal defenses for failing to hold the meeting, and the failure was ruled a violation.

Alj Quote

Respondent’s counsel stated that there were no legal defenses to Respondent’s failure to hold a board meeting.

Legal Basis

Bylaws Section 7.1

Topic Tags

  • annual meetings
  • HOA defenses
  • bankruptcy

Question

If I include multiple complaints in my petition but only pay the fee for one, will the judge hear all of them?

Short Answer

No. The Administrative Law Judge will likely only address the specific issue for which the filing fee was paid.

Detailed Answer

The petitioner included allegations regarding failure to respond to requests for special meetings and removal of directors, but because she only paid the $500 fee for one issue (failure to hold annual meetings), the other allegations were not addressed in the decision.

Alj Quote

The petition included other allegations including, but not limited to, the Board failure to respond to requests for a special meeting of members and/or a meeting to remove directors from the Board. However, Petitioner has paid for only one issue.

Legal Basis

Procedural Rule

Topic Tags

  • filing fees
  • petition scope
  • administrative procedure

Question

Does the failure to hold an annual meeting automatically invalidate the HOA's corporate actions?

Short Answer

Not necessarily. Bylaws often contain specific provisions stating that the failure to hold a meeting does not affect the validity of corporate actions.

Detailed Answer

The decision cites a specific section of the HOA's bylaws which explicitly states that missing the fixed time for an annual meeting does not invalidate corporate actions.

Alj Quote

The failure to hold an annual or regular meeting at a time stated in or fixed in accordance with the Bylaws does not affect the validity of any corporate action.

Legal Basis

Bylaws Section 7.1

Topic Tags

  • corporate actions
  • validity
  • bylaws

Question

What standard of proof must a homeowner meet to win a hearing against their HOA?

Short Answer

The homeowner must prove the violation by a 'preponderance of the evidence'.

Detailed Answer

The burden is on the petitioner to show that their contention is 'more probably true than not.' It is not based on the number of witnesses but on the convincing force of the evidence.

Alj Quote

Petitioner bears the burden of proof to establish that Respondent violated on its CC&Rs by a preponderance of the evidence.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 41-1092.07(G)(2); A.A.C. R2-19-119(A)

Topic Tags

  • burden of proof
  • legal standard
  • evidence

Question

Can I be reimbursed for my filing fee if I win my case against the HOA?

Short Answer

Yes. The ALJ has the authority to order the HOA to pay the filing fee back to the prevailing homeowner.

Detailed Answer

After ruling in favor of the petitioner regarding the failure to hold meetings, the judge ordered the HOA to pay the petitioner the $500 filing fee within 30 days.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association must pay to Petitioner her filing fee of $500.00 within thirty days of receipt of this Order.

Legal Basis

Order of the ALJ

Topic Tags

  • reimbursement
  • filing fees
  • penalties

Question

Will the HOA always be fined a civil penalty if they are found to have violated the bylaws?

Short Answer

No. The judge may decide that a civil penalty is not appropriate even if a violation is found.

Detailed Answer

Although the HOA was found to have violated the bylaws by not holding meetings for two years, the judge explicitly declined to assess a civil penalty in this specific matter.

Alj Quote

No Civil Penalty is found to be appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Judicial Discretion

Topic Tags

  • civil penalty
  • fines
  • enforcement

Case

Docket No
23F-H035-REL
Case Title
Barbara J. Ryan vs Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association
Decision Date
2023-04-17
Alj Name
Velva Moses-Thompson
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Barbara J. Ryan (petitioner)
    Appeared on behalf of herself
  • Bill Nethery (witness)
    Meadows Property Association member
    Listed as a witness on Petitioner's petition
  • Damon Rosen (applicant for board vacancy)
    Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association member
    Individual who submitted a resume to serve on the board

Respondent Side

  • Jody A. Corrales (HOA attorney)
    DeConcini McDonald Yetwin & Lacy
    Represented the Respondent, Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association
  • Dorothy Marine (board member/witness)
    Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association
    Director and President of the board; testified at hearing
  • Cindy Celeste (board member)
    Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association
    Director
  • Jim Kasa (board member)
    Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association
    Director

Neutral Parties

  • Velva Moses-Thompson (ALJ)
    OAH
    Also introduced herself as Sales Thompson
  • Susan Nicolson (Commissioner)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
  • AHansen (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
  • vnunez (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
  • djones (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate
  • labril (ADRE staff)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate

Other Participants

  • Gail Olia (former board member)
    Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association
    Director who resigned; also referred to as Jill Olia
  • Sorl Tate (homeowner)
    Dragoon Mountain Ranch Phase I Meadows Property Owners Association member
    Individual whose prior contentious state court proceeding against the HOA contributed to the bankruptcy

Senol Pekin v. Artesian Ranch Community Association (ROOT)

Case Summary

Case ID 23F-H034-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2023-04-10
Administrative Law Judge Velva Moses-Thompson
Outcome partial
Filing Fees Refunded $2,500.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Senol Pekin Counsel
Respondent Artesian Ranch Community Association Counsel Ashley N. Moscarello

Alleged Violations

Bylaws Article II Paragraph 2.3
Bylaws Article III Section A Paragraph 3.5, Section B Paragraph 3.7, and Article IV Paragraph 4.2
Bylaws Article III Section B, Article IV Section 6.7(b), Article I Paragraph 1.3
A.R.S. 33-1804(A)
A.R.S. 33-1804

Outcome Summary

Petitioner succeeded on two issues regarding the HOA's failure to hold its annual meeting at the prescribed time and improperly prohibiting the recording of an open session meeting. Respondent prevailed on the remaining three issues, as the ALJ found the bylaws did not require a separate organizational meeting, the community manager acted as an authorized agent to call a meeting, and Petitioner was not denied the opportunity to speak despite being muted at times during a videoconference. Respondent was ordered to refund $1,000 for the two successful issues.

Why this result: Petitioner lost on three issues because the bylaws did not strictly require the organizational meeting to be held separately, the community manager had authority as an agent to organize a meeting, and evidence demonstrated Petitioner was afforded multiple opportunities to speak during the Zoom meeting.

Key Issues & Findings

Annual Meetings

Petitioner alleged the HOA failed to hold its annual meeting at the prescribed time in April 2022.

Orders: Petitioner deemed prevailing party. Respondent ordered to pay Petitioner filing fee of $500 for this issue.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Organizational Meetings

Petitioner alleged the HOA failed to hold a separate organizational meeting to elect officers.

Orders: Respondent deemed prevailing party.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Authority to Call Board Meeting

Petitioner alleged the HOA manager was not authorized to organize or call a board meeting.

Orders: Respondent deemed prevailing party.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Open Meeting Recording

Petitioner alleged the HOA illegally prohibited homeowners from recording an open board meeting.

Orders: Petitioner deemed prevailing party. Respondent ordered to pay Petitioner filing fee of $500 for this issue.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Open Meeting Opportunity to Speak

Petitioner alleged the HOA muted participants during a Zoom meeting, preventing them from speaking.

Orders: Respondent deemed prevailing party.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

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Briefing Doc – 23F-H034-REL


Briefing on the Dispute Between Senol Pekin and the Artesian Ranch Community Association

Executive Summary

This document synthesizes the key arguments, evidence, and outcomes from a consolidated administrative hearing concerning five allegations brought by homeowner and board member Senol Pekin against the Artesian Ranch Community Association (HOA). The dispute centers on alleged violations of the association’s bylaws and Arizona state statutes regarding the scheduling and conduct of board meetings.

The Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) found the HOA in violation on two of the five issues: failing to hold its 2022 annual meeting on the date prescribed by the bylaws and improperly prohibiting the recording of an open board meeting in October 2022. The HOA was ordered to reimburse the petitioner’s filing fees of $1,000 for these violations.

The ALJ found in favor of the HOA on the remaining three issues. It concluded that the organizational meeting process was compliant with the bylaws, that a September 2022 board meeting was properly called by the HOA manager acting as an agent of the board, and that the petitioner failed to prove he was denied the opportunity to speak during the October 2022 meeting despite being muted at times. No civil penalties were deemed appropriate.

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I. Allegation 1: Improper Annual Meeting Date

Outcome: Violation Found

The petitioner prevailed on the allegation that the HOA violated its bylaws by holding the 2022 annual meeting in May, rather than on the mandated date.

Aspect

Details

Petitioner’s Allegation

The HOA violated Bylaws Article II, Paragraph 2.3, which requires the annual meeting to be held on the second Wednesday of April each year.

Respondent’s Defense

The Community Manager, Mandy Rogers, testified that upon taking over the account in January 2022, she presented a draft calendar to the prior board. The board chose the May date, following a “cadence” established in previous years. She noted the 2021 meeting was moved to August due to COVID-19, and the 2019 meeting was also not in April.

Supporting Testimony

Mandy Rogers: Acknowledged awareness that the annual meeting is supposed to be in April. She stated, “Your annual meeting for the past 3 years was on the wrong date per the bylaw.” She confirmed the 2023 meeting was correctly scheduled for April.
Mandy Rogers: Explained her process for the 2022 calendar: “I looked at when their last annual meeting was and it was in August of 2021. So on that draft calendar, I said, ‘Do you want your meeting in August of 2022?’ And they said, ‘No, we traditionally have it in May.’ And I said, ‘Okay, you guys choose a date and a time that works for you.'”

ALJ Conclusion

The evidence showed the HOA failed to hold its meeting on the required date. The ALJ noted that while A.R.S. § 10-3701(e) states that failure to hold a timely meeting does not invalidate corporate action, it “does not provide an exception to the adherence to Bylaws that require a set time for an annual meeting.”

II. Allegation 2: Improper Organizational Meeting

Outcome: Violation Not Found

The petitioner failed to prove that the HOA violated bylaws regarding the scheduling and format of the organizational meeting.

Aspect

Details

Petitioner’s Allegation

The HOA did not elect officers in an “exclusively and timely scheduled Organizational Meeting” as required by its bylaws (Article III, Section 3.5 and 3.7). The petitioner argued the meeting should be a standalone event held shortly after directors take office on January 1st.

Respondent’s Defense

The organizational meeting was held during the August 2022 board meeting, which was the next scheduled open session after the May election. This delay was to allow for new board member training to be completed, as required by the bylaws. The bylaws mandate a meeting “within a reasonable time” and do not require it to be “exclusive.”

Supporting Testimony

Mandy Rogers: “Your organizational meeting was specifically scheduled for the next open session board meeting which was in August. That was also to satisfy that your bylaws say that all board training should be done prior to that meeting.” She confirmed that the new director (Pekin) received training via Zoom and was provided a board book and access to the online platform.
Susanne Roskens (Board President): Confirmed that officer positions were discussed and voted on by the three present directors during the August meeting.

ALJ Conclusion

The bylaws do not require the organizational meeting to be held separately from a regular board meeting. The ALJ also noted that the Community Manager may act as an agent of the board.

Sub-Issue: Director Term Start Date

A significant point of contention was a bylaw provision (Section 3.5) stating that elected directors take office on January 1st of the following year.

Mandy Rogers’ Testimony: She described this provision as highly unusual and professionally unheard of. “I’ve never seen governing documents that call out that you have an election in April and don’t take office until January. That’s unheard of.” She stated the association attorney was reviewing the provision.

Association Practice: Board President Susanne Roskens testified that the association has never had directors wait until January to take office.

III. Allegation 3: Improperly Called September 2022 Board Meeting

Outcome: Violation Not Found

The petitioner failed to prove that the September 22, 2022 board meeting was improperly called by the HOA Manager.

Aspect

Details

Petitioner’s Allegation

The HOA Manager, Mandy Rogers, who is not a board member, was not authorized to call a board meeting. An email from her stated, “I’m scheduling a board meeting.”

Respondent’s Defense

The meeting was necessary to approve a time-sensitive landscaping and overseeding contract, as unanimous email approval could not be achieved. Board President Susanne Roskens verbally directed Mandy Rogers to schedule the meeting. The petitioner himself had requested a meeting on the topic in prior emails, and the third director, Dennis Burger, confirmed his support for the meeting in writing.

Supporting Testimony

Mandy Rogers: “I spoke to your board president and at your request to schedule a meeting… I was given the directive to schedule it.”
Susanne Roskens: “I discussed it with Mandy via a phone call and asked if we could have a meeting to get clarification so that we could move forward.”
Exhibit I (Email Chain): This exhibit shows the petitioner requesting a meeting to discuss the topic, Mandy Rogers subsequently scheduling the meeting, the petitioner objecting to her authority, and Dennis Burger responding, “I’m confused meaning [Susanne] wants the meeting and ask her to set it up.”

ALJ Conclusion

The meeting was properly initiated. Ms. Rogers, as an employee of the Community Manager, may act as an agent of the Board.

IV. Allegation 4: Prohibition of Recording (October 24, 2022)

Outcome: Violation Found

The petitioner prevailed on the allegation that the HOA violated Arizona statute by prohibiting the recording of an open session meeting.

Aspect

Details

Petitioner’s Allegation

The HOA violated A.R.S. § 33-1804(A) by prohibiting the recording of the open session meeting on October 24, 2022.

Respondent’s Defense

Mandy Rogers stated she made the announcement based on advice from the association attorney following a contentious executive session that preceded the open meeting. She also testified that the board requires advance notice of recording. The defense also argued the issue was moot because the petitioner recorded the meeting regardless.

Supporting Testimony

Mandy Rogers: “A statement was made at the beginning of the session so the board could handle board business.” When asked who gave the direction to prohibit recording, she stated it was the attorney.
Shelly Nelson (Witness): Confirmed she remembered the association prohibiting recording of the open meeting.
Sherry Swanson (Witness): Confirmed, “The meeting started that way that she said you should not record.”

ALJ Conclusion

The preponderance of evidence shows that the HOA violated A.R.S. § 33-1804 when it informed homeowners they were not allowed to record the board meeting.

V. Allegation 5: Muting and Silencing Opposition (October 24, 2022)

Outcome: Violation Not Found

The petitioner failed to prove that he was prevented from speaking for the opposing side during the October 24, 2022 meeting.

Aspect

Details

Petitioner’s Allegation

During the Zoom meeting, the HOA muted the petitioner, preventing him from voicing opposition on issues, in violation of A.R.S. § 33-1804.

Respondent’s Defense

Mandy Rogers admitted to muting the petitioner but justified it on several grounds: he was being “combative,” speaking over others, and bringing up confidential executive session topics in an open forum. His camera was off and he was self-muted at times, creating confusion about his presence and participation.

Witness Testimony

Shelly Nelson: Did not perceive the petitioner’s behavior as combative. She described the overall tone of the meeting as “antagonistic” and felt “decisions were foregone conclusions.”
Sherry Swanson: Perceived both the petitioner and Mandy Rogers as “very argumentative.” She stated the petitioner “did come across very argumented from the beginning of the meeting” and came in “hotheaded.”

ALJ Conclusion

Petitioner failed to establish a violation by a preponderance of the evidence. The ALJ noted, “the evidence shows that Petitioner had several times to speak during the board meeting.”


Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Senol Pekin (petitioner/board member)
    Director of Artesian Ranch Community Association Board
  • Julie Willowby (witness)
    Testified for Petitioner; Former Board President
  • Shelley Nelson (witness)
    Testified for Petitioner; Resident, daughter of homeowners John and Muriel Nelson
  • Sherry Swanson (witness)
    Testified for Petitioner; Homeowner

Respondent Side

  • Ashley N. Moscarello (HOA attorney)
    goodlaw.legal
  • Mandy Rogers (property manager)
    AAM, LLC
    Community Manager for Artesian Ranch
  • Susanne Easterday Roskens (board member)
    Director/Board President of Artesian Ranch Community Association Board
  • Dennis Burger (board member)
    Director of Artesian Ranch Community Association Board
  • Danielle Rancher (property manager)
    AM/AAM
    Mandy Rogers' manager/boss
  • Sandra Carlson (administrative staff)
    AAM
    Takes meeting minutes
  • Amanda Sha (CEO/President)
    AAM
    Founder of AAM; filed annual report update

Neutral Parties

  • Velva Moses-Thompson (ALJ)
    OAH
  • Susan Nicolson (Commissioner)
    ADRE

Other Participants

  • Brock (resident/prior board member)
  • John Nelson (homeowner)
    Artesian Ranch
    Father of Shelley Nelson
  • Muriel Nelson (homeowner)
    Artesian Ranch
    Mother of Shelley Nelson
  • Rick Beaver (homeowner/candidate)
    Artesian Ranch
    Homeowner appealing decision and running for board
  • Brandon (vendor)
    Terra Verde

Senol Pekin v. Artesian Ranch Community Association

Case Summary

Case ID 23F-H034-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2023-04-10
Administrative Law Judge Velva Moses-Thompson
Outcome partial
Filing Fees Refunded $2,500.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Senol Pekin Counsel
Respondent Artesian Ranch Community Association Counsel Ashley N. Moscarello

Alleged Violations

Bylaws Article II Paragraph 2.3
Bylaws Article III Section A Paragraph 3.5, Section B Paragraph 3.7, and Article IV Paragraph 4.2
Bylaws Article III Section B, Article IV Section 6.7(b), Article I Paragraph 1.3
A.R.S. 33-1804(A)
A.R.S. 33-1804

Outcome Summary

Petitioner succeeded on two issues regarding the HOA's failure to hold its annual meeting at the prescribed time and improperly prohibiting the recording of an open session meeting. Respondent prevailed on the remaining three issues, as the ALJ found the bylaws did not require a separate organizational meeting, the community manager acted as an authorized agent to call a meeting, and Petitioner was not denied the opportunity to speak despite being muted at times during a videoconference. Respondent was ordered to refund $1,000 for the two successful issues.

Why this result: Petitioner lost on three issues because the bylaws did not strictly require the organizational meeting to be held separately, the community manager had authority as an agent to organize a meeting, and evidence demonstrated Petitioner was afforded multiple opportunities to speak during the Zoom meeting.

Key Issues & Findings

Annual Meetings

Petitioner alleged the HOA failed to hold its annual meeting at the prescribed time in April 2022.

Orders: Petitioner deemed prevailing party. Respondent ordered to pay Petitioner filing fee of $500 for this issue.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Organizational Meetings

Petitioner alleged the HOA failed to hold a separate organizational meeting to elect officers.

Orders: Respondent deemed prevailing party.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Authority to Call Board Meeting

Petitioner alleged the HOA manager was not authorized to organize or call a board meeting.

Orders: Respondent deemed prevailing party.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Open Meeting Recording

Petitioner alleged the HOA illegally prohibited homeowners from recording an open board meeting.

Orders: Petitioner deemed prevailing party. Respondent ordered to pay Petitioner filing fee of $500 for this issue.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Open Meeting Opportunity to Speak

Petitioner alleged the HOA muted participants during a Zoom meeting, preventing them from speaking.

Orders: Respondent deemed prevailing party.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Decision Documents

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**Case Overview**
**Case Title:** Consolidated Docket Nos. 23F-H034-REL and 23F-H037-REL
**Parties:** Senol Pekin (Petitioner) vs. Artesian Ranch Community Association (Respondent)
**Hearing Date:** March 20, 2023
**Judge:** Administrative Law Judge Velva Moses-Thompson, Office of Administrative Hearings

**Main Issues**
The Petitioner brought five central allegations against the Respondent (the Homeowners' Association or HOA), claiming violations of the HOA's Bylaws and Arizona state law (A.R.S. § 33-1804):
1. The HOA failed to hold its 2022 annual meeting on the required date (the second Wednesday of April).
2. The HOA failed to hold an exclusively scheduled organizational meeting to elect officers.
3. The HOA held a board meeting on September 22, 2022, that was unlawfully organized by the HOA Manager rather than the Board.
4. The HOA prohibited the recording of an open board session on October 24, 2022, violating A.R.S. § 33-1804(A).
5. The HOA unfairly silenced opposing sides by muting attendees during the October 24 Zoom meeting.

**Key Facts and Legal Arguments**
* **Annual Meeting Timing:** The HOA admitted it held the 2022 annual meeting in May instead of April, arguing it was merely a technical violation without harm, relying on A.R.S. § 10-3701(e). The Judge ruled that while corporate actions may remain valid under that statute, the HOA still directly violated its own Bylaws which mandate a specific timeline.
* **Organizational and Manager-Called Meetings:** The Judge found no requirement in the Bylaws that an organizational meeting to elect officers must be separate from a regular board meeting. Regarding the September meeting, the Judge determined that the HOA Manager acted lawfully as an agent of the Board at the request of the Board President.
* **Recording Prohibition and Muting:** Evidence confirmed the HOA Manager instructed homeowners not to record the October open meeting and required advance notice to do so. The Judge ruled this was a clear violation of A.R.S. § 33-1804, which explicitly guarantees members the right to record open meetings without providing advance notice. However, the Judge dismissed the claim regarding muting; evidence showed the Manager muted the Petitioner due to aggressive behavior, but the Petitioner was still given ample opportunity to speak during the meeting.

**Outcome and Final Decision**
The Administrative Law Judge issued a split decision on April 10, 2023:
* **Petitioner Prevailed:** The Petitioner won on Issues 1 (failure to hold the annual meeting on time) and 4 (unlawfully prohibiting the recording of an open meeting) [

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Senol Pekin (petitioner)
    Testified on his own behalf
  • Julie Willoughby (witness)
    Also spelled Julie Willowby in transcript
  • Shelley Nelson (witness)
    Also spelled Shelly Nelson in transcript
  • Sherry Swanson (witness)

Respondent Side

  • Ashley N. Moscarello (HOA attorney)
    Goodman Law Group
    Represented the respondent
  • Daniel S. Francom (HOA attorney)
    Goodman Law Group
  • Mandy Rogers (property manager)
    AAM, LLC
    Community Manager; testified as a witness for respondent
  • Susanne Easterday Roskens (board member)
    Artesian Ranch Community Association
    Director/President of Respondent's Board; testified as a witness for respondent

Neutral Parties

  • Velva Moses-Thompson (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
    Assigned Administrative Law Judge
  • Susan Nicolson (commissioner)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate

Other Participants

  • Dennis Berger (subpoenaed individual)
    Subpoena for this individual was quashed
  • Brock O’Neal (subpoenaed individual)
    Motion to quash subpoena for this individual was denied
  • Rick Beaver (homeowner)
    Artesian Ranch Community Association
    Had an appeal reviewed during a board meeting; candidate for the board
  • Sandra Carlson (unknown)
    Copied on board packet email

Kathy J Green v. Cross Creek Ranch Community Association

Case Summary

Case ID 22F-H2222064-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2022-09-29
Administrative Law Judge Sondra J. Vanella
Outcome total
Filing Fees Refunded $500.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Kathy J. Green, MD Counsel
Respondent Cross Creek Ranch Community Association Counsel Nick Eicher, Esq.

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. § 33-1804

Outcome Summary

The Administrative Law Judge affirmed the petition, finding that the HOA violated A.R.S. § 33-1804 by improperly holding a closed executive session primarily focused on reviewing homeowner comments on design guidelines that did not meet the statutory exceptions for closure. The ALJ ordered the HOA to reimburse the petitioner's filing fee and comply with the statute in the future.

Key Issues & Findings

Alleged violation of open meetings requirements regarding closed executive session.

The Respondent HOA held a closed executive session on June 9, 2022, noticed under A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1) (legal advice), to discuss approximately 72 homeowner comments on proposed design guideline revisions. The ALJ found that the meeting did not qualify under exceptions (A)(1) or (A)(2) as no legal advice was given and the discussion of most comments did not constitute pending or contemplated litigation.

Orders: Petitioner's petition is affirmed. Respondent must reimburse the Petitioner the $500.00 filing fee and is directed to comply with the requirements of A.R.S. § 33-1804 going forward.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Cited:

  • 33-1804(A)(1)
  • 33-1804(A)(2)
  • 33-1804(B)
  • 33-1804(F)

Analytics Highlights

Topics: HOA, Open Meetings, Executive Session, Legal Advice, Contemplated Litigation, Design Guidelines
Additional Citations:

  • 33-1804
  • 33-1804(A)
  • 33-1804(A)(1)
  • 33-1804(A)(2)
  • 33-1804(F)

Video Overview

Audio Overview

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Decision Documents

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Questions

Question

Can my HOA board hold a closed meeting to discuss homeowner feedback on design guidelines?

Short Answer

No, discussing general homeowner feedback does not qualify for a closed executive session unless it meets specific statutory exceptions like pending litigation.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that reviewing general comments from homeowners regarding proposed changes to design guidelines is not a valid reason to close a meeting. Even if some comments are critical, the board must discuss them in an open meeting unless they specifically relate to pending or contemplated litigation or legal advice.

Alj Quote

The Administrative Law Judge concludes… that the issue discussed at the June 9, 2022 executive session does not fall under the exceptions listed in A.R.S. §§ 33-1804(A)(1) or (A)(2), and Respondent did not properly consider the issue in an executive session closed to its members.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804

Topic Tags

  • open meetings
  • design guidelines
  • executive session

Question

Does a homeowner saying they 'can and will challenge' a rule in court count as pending litigation?

Short Answer

No, vague statements about potential legal challenges do not necessarily constitute 'contemplated litigation' sufficient to close a meeting.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ found that comments stating changes 'can and will be challenged in court' did not put the Board on notice of imminent lawsuits. Therefore, such comments did not justify closing the meeting under the 'pending or contemplated litigation' exception.

Alj Quote

Further, the Administrative Law Judge concludes that none of the comments can be reasonably construed as contemplating litigation.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(2)

Topic Tags

  • litigation
  • definitions
  • executive session

Question

Can the board close an entire meeting if they receive just one threat of litigation?

Short Answer

No, the board should only close the portion of the meeting dealing with the specific threat.

Detailed Answer

If an HOA receives many comments and only one contains a potential legal threat (e.g., copying an attorney), the board should hold an executive session for that specific item and discuss the remaining general business in an open meeting.

Alj Quote

As acknowledged by Mr. Chambers, the Board could have held an executive session to discuss only that one comment/letter in which an attorney was copied, and held an open meeting to discuss the other solicited comments.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(2)

Topic Tags

  • procedure
  • litigation
  • open meetings

Question

Can the HOA claim 'legal advice' as a reason to close a meeting if no attorney is present?

Short Answer

No, the 'legal advice' exception generally requires actual advice being given or discussed from an attorney.

Detailed Answer

The board cannot use the 'legal advice' exception to close a meeting if they are simply preparing questions for an attorney or reviewing documents before sending them to counsel. In this case, the attorney had not yet reviewed the documents, so no legal advice could be discussed.

Alj Quote

Prior to the June 9, 2022 executive session, an attorney had not yet reviewed the proposed revisions to the Guidelines and therefore, did not provide feedback for discussion at that meeting.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1)

Topic Tags

  • legal advice
  • attorney
  • executive session

Question

How should HOA board members and managers interpret open meeting laws?

Short Answer

They must interpret the laws in favor of open meetings.

Detailed Answer

Arizona statute explicitly states that the policy of the state is to conduct meetings openly. Any ambiguity in the law should be construed by board members and managers to support openness rather than secrecy.

Alj Quote

Toward this end, any person or entity that is charged with the interpretation of these provisions, including members of the board of directors and any community manager, shall take into account this declaration of policy and shall construe any provision of this section in favor of open meetings.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(F)

Topic Tags

  • statutory interpretation
  • policy
  • open meetings

Question

Who has the burden of proof in an administrative hearing against an HOA?

Short Answer

The petitioner (the homeowner filing the complaint) has the burden of proof.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner must prove by a 'preponderance of the evidence' that the HOA violated the statute. This means they must show it is more probable than not that the violation occurred.

Alj Quote

In this proceeding, Petitioner bears the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1804.

Legal Basis

A.A.C. R2-19-119

Topic Tags

  • burden of proof
  • hearing procedure
  • evidence

Question

Can I get my filing fee back if I win my case against the HOA?

Short Answer

Yes, the ALJ has the authority to order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee.

Detailed Answer

If the homeowner prevails in showing a violation occurred, the judge may order the association to pay back the cost of filing the petition.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent reimburse Petitioner the $500.00 filing fee.

Legal Basis

Order

Topic Tags

  • remedies
  • fees
  • penalties

Question

Will the HOA always be fined if they violate open meeting laws?

Short Answer

Not necessarily; the judge has discretion on whether to impose a civil penalty.

Detailed Answer

Even if a violation is found, the judge may decide not to issue a civil penalty based on the specific facts of the case.

Alj Quote

Based on the facts presented, the Administrative Law Judge finds no civil penalty is appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact

Topic Tags

  • penalties
  • enforcement
  • fines

Case

Docket No
22F-H2222064-REL
Case Title
Kathy J. Green v. Cross Creek Ranch Community Association
Decision Date
2022-09-29
Alj Name
Sondra J. Vanella
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Questions

Question

Can my HOA board hold a closed meeting to discuss homeowner feedback on design guidelines?

Short Answer

No, discussing general homeowner feedback does not qualify for a closed executive session unless it meets specific statutory exceptions like pending litigation.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that reviewing general comments from homeowners regarding proposed changes to design guidelines is not a valid reason to close a meeting. Even if some comments are critical, the board must discuss them in an open meeting unless they specifically relate to pending or contemplated litigation or legal advice.

Alj Quote

The Administrative Law Judge concludes… that the issue discussed at the June 9, 2022 executive session does not fall under the exceptions listed in A.R.S. §§ 33-1804(A)(1) or (A)(2), and Respondent did not properly consider the issue in an executive session closed to its members.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804

Topic Tags

  • open meetings
  • design guidelines
  • executive session

Question

Does a homeowner saying they 'can and will challenge' a rule in court count as pending litigation?

Short Answer

No, vague statements about potential legal challenges do not necessarily constitute 'contemplated litigation' sufficient to close a meeting.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ found that comments stating changes 'can and will be challenged in court' did not put the Board on notice of imminent lawsuits. Therefore, such comments did not justify closing the meeting under the 'pending or contemplated litigation' exception.

Alj Quote

Further, the Administrative Law Judge concludes that none of the comments can be reasonably construed as contemplating litigation.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(2)

Topic Tags

  • litigation
  • definitions
  • executive session

Question

Can the board close an entire meeting if they receive just one threat of litigation?

Short Answer

No, the board should only close the portion of the meeting dealing with the specific threat.

Detailed Answer

If an HOA receives many comments and only one contains a potential legal threat (e.g., copying an attorney), the board should hold an executive session for that specific item and discuss the remaining general business in an open meeting.

Alj Quote

As acknowledged by Mr. Chambers, the Board could have held an executive session to discuss only that one comment/letter in which an attorney was copied, and held an open meeting to discuss the other solicited comments.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(2)

Topic Tags

  • procedure
  • litigation
  • open meetings

Question

Can the HOA claim 'legal advice' as a reason to close a meeting if no attorney is present?

Short Answer

No, the 'legal advice' exception generally requires actual advice being given or discussed from an attorney.

Detailed Answer

The board cannot use the 'legal advice' exception to close a meeting if they are simply preparing questions for an attorney or reviewing documents before sending them to counsel. In this case, the attorney had not yet reviewed the documents, so no legal advice could be discussed.

Alj Quote

Prior to the June 9, 2022 executive session, an attorney had not yet reviewed the proposed revisions to the Guidelines and therefore, did not provide feedback for discussion at that meeting.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(A)(1)

Topic Tags

  • legal advice
  • attorney
  • executive session

Question

How should HOA board members and managers interpret open meeting laws?

Short Answer

They must interpret the laws in favor of open meetings.

Detailed Answer

Arizona statute explicitly states that the policy of the state is to conduct meetings openly. Any ambiguity in the law should be construed by board members and managers to support openness rather than secrecy.

Alj Quote

Toward this end, any person or entity that is charged with the interpretation of these provisions, including members of the board of directors and any community manager, shall take into account this declaration of policy and shall construe any provision of this section in favor of open meetings.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1804(F)

Topic Tags

  • statutory interpretation
  • policy
  • open meetings

Question

Who has the burden of proof in an administrative hearing against an HOA?

Short Answer

The petitioner (the homeowner filing the complaint) has the burden of proof.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner must prove by a 'preponderance of the evidence' that the HOA violated the statute. This means they must show it is more probable than not that the violation occurred.

Alj Quote

In this proceeding, Petitioner bears the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1804.

Legal Basis

A.A.C. R2-19-119

Topic Tags

  • burden of proof
  • hearing procedure
  • evidence

Question

Can I get my filing fee back if I win my case against the HOA?

Short Answer

Yes, the ALJ has the authority to order the HOA to reimburse the filing fee.

Detailed Answer

If the homeowner prevails in showing a violation occurred, the judge may order the association to pay back the cost of filing the petition.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent reimburse Petitioner the $500.00 filing fee.

Legal Basis

Order

Topic Tags

  • remedies
  • fees
  • penalties

Question

Will the HOA always be fined if they violate open meeting laws?

Short Answer

Not necessarily; the judge has discretion on whether to impose a civil penalty.

Detailed Answer

Even if a violation is found, the judge may decide not to issue a civil penalty based on the specific facts of the case.

Alj Quote

Based on the facts presented, the Administrative Law Judge finds no civil penalty is appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Findings of Fact

Topic Tags

  • penalties
  • enforcement
  • fines

Case

Docket No
22F-H2222064-REL
Case Title
Kathy J. Green v. Cross Creek Ranch Community Association
Decision Date
2022-09-29
Alj Name
Sondra J. Vanella
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Kathy J. Green (petitioner)
    Cross Creek Ranch Owner
    Also referred to as Dr. Green, Colonel (retired),
  • Peter Calogero (witness)
    Spouse of Petitioner,

Respondent Side

  • Cross Creek Ranch Community Association (respondent)
  • Nick Eicher (HOA attorney)
    Cross Creek Ranch Community Association,
    Also referred to as Nick Iker
  • Greg Chambers (board president)
    Cross Creek Ranch Board
    Also appeared as a witness,
  • Charles Olden (HOA attorney)
    Carpenter Hazelwood
  • Steve Germaine (board member/ARC chair)
    Cross Creek Ranch Board/ARC,
    Subpoenaed individual,,
  • John Kinich (board member)
    Cross Creek Ranch Board
    Also referred to as John Halenich
  • Lynn Grigg (ARC member)
    Cross Creek Ranch ARC,
  • Dan Donahghue (board member)
    Cross Creek Ranch Board,
  • Lisa Henson (board member)
    Cross Creek Ranch Board
  • Laura Malone (property manager)
    Community association manager,,
  • Edith I. Rudder (HOA attorney)
    Carpenter, Hazlewood, Delgado & Bolen LLP,
    Recipient of final order
  • Edward D. O'Brien (HOA attorney)
    Carpenter, Hazlewood, Delgado & Bolen LLP,
    Recipient of final order

Neutral Parties

  • Sondra J. Vanella (ALJ)
    OAH
    Presided over the matter,
  • Louis Dettorre (Commissioner)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate (ADRE),

Other Participants

  • Brian (regional manager)
    Homeco/Property Management
    Provided guidance to Laura Malone
  • Miranda Alvarez (legal secretary)
    Carpenter, Hazlewood, Delgado & Bolen LLP

Jeffrey D Points v. Olive 66 Condominium Association

Case Summary

Case ID 21F-H2121059-REL
Agency ADRE
Tribunal OAH
Decision Date 2021-09-08
Administrative Law Judge Tammy L. Eigenheer
Outcome partial
Filing Fees Refunded $1,000.00
Civil Penalties $0.00

Parties & Counsel

Petitioner Jeffrey D Points Counsel
Respondent Olive 66 Condominium Association Counsel MacKenzie Hill

Alleged Violations

A.R.S. § 33-1258
A.R.S. § 33-1248

Outcome Summary

The Petitioner’s petition was affirmed in part (violation of A.R.S. § 33-1258 regarding documents) and denied in part (no violation of A.R.S. § 33-1248 regarding open meetings). Respondent was ordered to reimburse $500.00 of the filing fee and comply with A.R.S. § 33-1258.

Why this result: Petitioner failed to prove the violation of A.R.S. § 33-1248 because evidence of improper notice was lacking and the topic discussed in executive session was likely covered by a statutory exemption.

Key Issues & Findings

Access to Association Records

Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1258 by failing to provide certain requested 2021 invoices that were in existence at the time of the request within the statutory 10-day period.

Orders: Respondent must comply with A.R.S. § 33-1258 going forward. Petitioner reimbursed $500.00 filing fee.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: Yes

Disposition: petitioner_win

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1258
  • A.R.S. § 33-1805

Open Board Meetings

Petitioner failed to establish a violation of A.R.S. § 33-1248 regarding the March 25, 2021, board meeting, as the issue regarding notice was not established and the topic discussed (Landscaping Bid Review) likely fell under a statutory exemption.

Orders: Petitioner failed to establish the alleged violation of A.R.S. § 33-1248.

Filing fee: $500.00, Fee refunded: No

Disposition: petitioner_loss

Cited:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1248
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804

Analytics Highlights

Topics: condominium association, document request, open meeting, executive session, invoices, filing fee refund
Additional Citations:

  • A.R.S. § 33-1248
  • A.R.S. § 33-1258
  • A.R.S. § 33-1804
  • A.R.S. § 33-1805
  • A.R.S. § 32-2199 et seq.
  • A.A.C. R2-19-119

Video Overview

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Decision Documents

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Questions

Question

Can I demand to inspect every single HOA document in person at the management office?

Short Answer

No. While records must be reasonably available, you do not have the right to peruse all documents at will.

Detailed Answer

The Administrative Law Judge ruled that the statute requiring records be 'reasonably available' does not grant an unlimited right to inspect all documents in person. The HOA can withhold certain confidential documents, and sorting through everything to remove them may be considered unduly burdensome.

Alj Quote

Nothing in the statute however, grants a condominium unit owner the right to peruse all of the association’s documents at will as some documents may properly be withheld.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1258

Topic Tags

  • Records Request
  • Inspection Rights

Question

Is it a violation if the HOA fails to provide requested invoices within 10 days?

Short Answer

Yes. If the documents exist and are not provided within the statutory timeframe, it is a violation.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ found the Association in violation of the law because they acknowledged that requested invoices existed at the time of the request but were not provided to the homeowner.

Alj Quote

Respondent’s witness acknowledged that certain invoices requested by Petitioner were in existence at the time of the request, but were not provided to Petitioner. Such a failure to provide the documents requested was a violation of A.R.S. § 33-1258.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1258

Topic Tags

  • Records Request
  • Invoices
  • Timeliness

Question

Can the HOA Board discuss vendor contracts or issues in a closed executive session?

Short Answer

Yes, if the discussion involves specific complaints or performance issues regarding an individual employee of the contractor.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that a 'Landscaping Bid Review' was properly held in executive session because the testimony indicated it involved specific performance issues with an employee of the landscaping company.

Alj Quote

Respondent’s witness asserted that the issue regarding the landscaping bid review was a specific performance issue with an employee of the landscaping company. As that topic falls under the exception listed in A.R.S. § 33-1248(A)(4), Respondent properly considered the issue in an executive session closed to its members.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1248(A)(4)

Topic Tags

  • Open Meetings
  • Executive Session
  • Vendors

Question

Will the HOA be fined if they are found to have violated records request laws?

Short Answer

Not necessarily. The ALJ has discretion regarding civil penalties.

Detailed Answer

In this case, even though a violation was found regarding the failure to provide invoices, the judge decided that no civil penalty was appropriate based on the facts presented.

Alj Quote

Based on the facts presented, the Administrative Law Judge finds no civil penalty is appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Administrative Discretion

Topic Tags

  • Penalties
  • Enforcement

Question

Who has the burden of proof in a dispute with the HOA?

Short Answer

The homeowner (Petitioner) must prove the violation by a preponderance of the evidence.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner is responsible for providing evidence that outweighs the evidence offered by the HOA. If the homeowner fails to provide sufficient evidence (such as proof of when a meeting agenda was issued), the claim will likely fail.

Alj Quote

In this proceeding, Petitioner bears the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1248 and A.R.S. § 33-1258.

Legal Basis

A.A.C. R2-19-119

Topic Tags

  • Legal Standards
  • Burden of Proof

Question

Can I get my filing fee reimbursed if I win?

Short Answer

Yes, typically for the portion of the case on which you prevail.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ordered the Association to reimburse the homeowner $500.00, which represented the filing fee for the specific issue (records request) where the homeowner won.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent reimburse Petitioner their $500.00 filing fee for the issue on which they prevailed.

Legal Basis

Order

Topic Tags

  • Remedies
  • Fees

Question

What if I suspect the HOA altered a document they sent me?

Short Answer

You must provide proof. Mere assertion is not enough.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner claimed a landscaping contract was altered but provided no evidence. The ALJ ruled that an assertion without merit cannot be the basis for finding a violation.

Alj Quote

Petitioner’s assertion that the landscaping contract was altered in some way is completely without merit and cannot be the basis for a finding that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1258.

Legal Basis

Evidence

Topic Tags

  • Evidence
  • Fraud Allegations

Question

Do Open Meeting laws apply to Condominium Associations?

Short Answer

Yes, under A.R.S. § 33-1248.

Detailed Answer

Although the homeowner originally cited the Planned Community statutes (A.R.S. § 33-1804), the hearing proceeded under the correct Condominium statutes (A.R.S. § 33-1248), which contain similar open meeting requirements.

Alj Quote

After discussion, the hearing proceeded with the understanding that the statutes applicable to the instant matter were A.R.S. § 33-1248… and A.R.S. § 33-1258…

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1248

Topic Tags

  • Jurisdiction
  • Condos vs HOAs

Case

Docket No
21F-H2121059-REL
Case Title
Jeffrey D Points vs. Olive 66 Condominium Association
Decision Date
2021-09-08
Alj Name
Tammy L. Eigenheer
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Questions

Question

Can I demand to inspect every single HOA document in person at the management office?

Short Answer

No. While records must be reasonably available, you do not have the right to peruse all documents at will.

Detailed Answer

The Administrative Law Judge ruled that the statute requiring records be 'reasonably available' does not grant an unlimited right to inspect all documents in person. The HOA can withhold certain confidential documents, and sorting through everything to remove them may be considered unduly burdensome.

Alj Quote

Nothing in the statute however, grants a condominium unit owner the right to peruse all of the association’s documents at will as some documents may properly be withheld.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1258

Topic Tags

  • Records Request
  • Inspection Rights

Question

Is it a violation if the HOA fails to provide requested invoices within 10 days?

Short Answer

Yes. If the documents exist and are not provided within the statutory timeframe, it is a violation.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ found the Association in violation of the law because they acknowledged that requested invoices existed at the time of the request but were not provided to the homeowner.

Alj Quote

Respondent’s witness acknowledged that certain invoices requested by Petitioner were in existence at the time of the request, but were not provided to Petitioner. Such a failure to provide the documents requested was a violation of A.R.S. § 33-1258.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1258

Topic Tags

  • Records Request
  • Invoices
  • Timeliness

Question

Can the HOA Board discuss vendor contracts or issues in a closed executive session?

Short Answer

Yes, if the discussion involves specific complaints or performance issues regarding an individual employee of the contractor.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ruled that a 'Landscaping Bid Review' was properly held in executive session because the testimony indicated it involved specific performance issues with an employee of the landscaping company.

Alj Quote

Respondent’s witness asserted that the issue regarding the landscaping bid review was a specific performance issue with an employee of the landscaping company. As that topic falls under the exception listed in A.R.S. § 33-1248(A)(4), Respondent properly considered the issue in an executive session closed to its members.

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1248(A)(4)

Topic Tags

  • Open Meetings
  • Executive Session
  • Vendors

Question

Will the HOA be fined if they are found to have violated records request laws?

Short Answer

Not necessarily. The ALJ has discretion regarding civil penalties.

Detailed Answer

In this case, even though a violation was found regarding the failure to provide invoices, the judge decided that no civil penalty was appropriate based on the facts presented.

Alj Quote

Based on the facts presented, the Administrative Law Judge finds no civil penalty is appropriate in this matter.

Legal Basis

Administrative Discretion

Topic Tags

  • Penalties
  • Enforcement

Question

Who has the burden of proof in a dispute with the HOA?

Short Answer

The homeowner (Petitioner) must prove the violation by a preponderance of the evidence.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner is responsible for providing evidence that outweighs the evidence offered by the HOA. If the homeowner fails to provide sufficient evidence (such as proof of when a meeting agenda was issued), the claim will likely fail.

Alj Quote

In this proceeding, Petitioner bears the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1248 and A.R.S. § 33-1258.

Legal Basis

A.A.C. R2-19-119

Topic Tags

  • Legal Standards
  • Burden of Proof

Question

Can I get my filing fee reimbursed if I win?

Short Answer

Yes, typically for the portion of the case on which you prevail.

Detailed Answer

The ALJ ordered the Association to reimburse the homeowner $500.00, which represented the filing fee for the specific issue (records request) where the homeowner won.

Alj Quote

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Respondent reimburse Petitioner their $500.00 filing fee for the issue on which they prevailed.

Legal Basis

Order

Topic Tags

  • Remedies
  • Fees

Question

What if I suspect the HOA altered a document they sent me?

Short Answer

You must provide proof. Mere assertion is not enough.

Detailed Answer

The homeowner claimed a landscaping contract was altered but provided no evidence. The ALJ ruled that an assertion without merit cannot be the basis for finding a violation.

Alj Quote

Petitioner’s assertion that the landscaping contract was altered in some way is completely without merit and cannot be the basis for a finding that Respondent violated A.R.S. § 33-1258.

Legal Basis

Evidence

Topic Tags

  • Evidence
  • Fraud Allegations

Question

Do Open Meeting laws apply to Condominium Associations?

Short Answer

Yes, under A.R.S. § 33-1248.

Detailed Answer

Although the homeowner originally cited the Planned Community statutes (A.R.S. § 33-1804), the hearing proceeded under the correct Condominium statutes (A.R.S. § 33-1248), which contain similar open meeting requirements.

Alj Quote

After discussion, the hearing proceeded with the understanding that the statutes applicable to the instant matter were A.R.S. § 33-1248… and A.R.S. § 33-1258…

Legal Basis

A.R.S. § 33-1248

Topic Tags

  • Jurisdiction
  • Condos vs HOAs

Case

Docket No
21F-H2121059-REL
Case Title
Jeffrey D Points vs. Olive 66 Condominium Association
Decision Date
2021-09-08
Alj Name
Tammy L. Eigenheer
Tribunal
OAH
Agency
ADRE

Case Participants

Petitioner Side

  • Jeffrey D Points (petitioner)
    Appeared on their own behalf

Respondent Side

  • MacKenzie Hill (respondent attorney)
    The Brown Law Group, PLLC
    Represented Olive 66 Condominium Association
  • Nathan Tennyson (respondent attorney)
    Represented Olive 66 Condominium Association
  • Cathy Hacker (association manager)
    Olive 66 Condominium Association
    Provided testimony as Association Manager,
  • Musa (individual/contractor)
    Mentioned regarding 1099s and invoices; referred to as 'Musa', and 'M. Sayegh'
  • Lorinda Brown (individual/contractor)
    Mentioned regarding 1099s and invoices

Neutral Parties

  • Tammy L. Eigenheer (ALJ)
    Office of Administrative Hearings
  • Judy Lowe (ADRE Commissioner)
    Arizona Department of Real Estate

Other Participants

  • Tim (individual)
    Mentioned regarding 1099s/invoices; reportedly 'has not done any work on the property',