Case Summary
| Case ID | 22F-H2222048-REL |
|---|---|
| Agency | ADRE |
| Tribunal | OAH |
| Decision Date | 2022-10-04 |
| Administrative Law Judge | Jenna Clark |
| Outcome | loss |
| Filing Fees Refunded | $0.00 |
| Civil Penalties | $0.00 |
Parties & Counsel
| Petitioner | Robert C. Ochs | Counsel | — |
|---|---|---|---|
| Respondent | The Camelview Greens Homeowners Association | Counsel | Ashley Moscarello, Esq. |
Alleged Violations
ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 33-1805 A
Outcome Summary
The Administrative Law Judge denied the petition, finding that the Petitioner failed to prove the Association violated ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 33-1805, concluding that the requested materials lists and specifications were not 'financial and other records of the association' that the HOA was legally required to possess and provide within 10 business days.
Why this result: Petitioner failed to sustain the burden of proof that the Respondent violated the records request statute.
Key Issues & Findings
Alleged violation of records request statute (failure to timely provide materials lists/specifications related to roof replacement/repairs).
Petitioner requested materials lists and specifications regarding recent (Sept 2021) and past (since 1986) roof work on February 27, 2022. The Association provided a scope of work document from the vendor on May 11, 2022, after the petition was filed. The ALJ determined the requested documents were not established to be 'financial and other records of the association' as contemplated by the statute, and TMT was not in possession of them at the time of the request.
Orders: Petitioner's petition and request for a civil penalty were denied. Respondent was not ordered to reimburse Petitioner's filing fee.
Filing fee: $0.00, Fee refunded: No
Disposition: petitioner_loss
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 33-1805 A
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199.02 A
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199.05
Analytics Highlights
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 33-1805
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199.02
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2102
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199 et seq.
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199.05
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199(2)
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199.01(A)
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199.01(D)
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 41-1092 et seq.
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 32-2199.04
- ARIZ. REV. STAT. § 41-1092.09
Video Overview
Audio Overview
Decision Documents
22F-H2222048-REL Decision – 1003691.pdf
22F-H2222048-REL Decision – 979940.pdf
22F-H2222048-REL Decision – 979959.pdf
22F-H2222048-REL Decision – 985762.pdf
22F-H2222048-REL Decision – 986375.pdf
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Case Participants
Petitioner Side
- Robert C. Ochs (petitioner)
Appeared on his own behalf
Respondent Side
- Ashley N. Moscarello (HOA attorney)
Goodman Holmgren
Appeared on behalf of respondent - Carl Westlund (witness)
The Management Trust
Division Vice President of Community Management at TMT - Shauna Carr (property manager)
The Management Trust
Former executive community manager for Camel View Greens - Dameon Cons (HOA attorney)
Goodman Holmgren
Sent response letter to Petitioner - Mark A. Holmgren (HOA attorney)
Goodman Holmgren
Counsel for Respondent listed on transmittals
Neutral Parties
- Jenna Clark (ALJ)
OAH - Louis Dettorre (Commissioner)
ADRE - Miranda Alvarez (Legal Secretary)
OAH
Transmitted orders/minute entries - AHansen (ADRE Staff)
ADRE
Recipient of official documents - vnunez (ADRE Staff)
ADRE
Recipient of official documents - djones (ADRE Staff)
ADRE
Recipient of official documents - labril (ADRE Staff)
ADRE
Recipient of official documents
Other Participants
- Jeff Centers (vendor/project manager)
Vendor
Contractor hired by the community
